Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not bad since he isn't even in office yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/29/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html

That means they're shipping 2000 instead of 3000 jobs to Mexico, and they get a nice tax deal for doing it. Wonderful.

Who is the president right now? Where is he taking us? Where did he take us? Trump trying to undo some of those horrors.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/under-obama-black-unemployment-back-to-twice-the-white-rate/article/2534597

holfresh wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

Meddling in governments affairs???...Come on man...

Did you say moral-less???..He is trading...

Th currency market is a freely openly traded market much like the stock market..Soros took a position against a currency based on a countries economic policies..Just like other Fund managers take positions in certain stocks..You wouldn't say Buffet is "meddling in a company's business" if he is betting against the company's success based on fundamentals...If you don't want your stock traded, go private..

Asians take it personally when you bet against them..They get upset and pout..Hedge fund manager Jim Chanos bets against companies all the time..Currently he is short(betting against) Tesla and Alibaba..You don't hear a peep from Elon Musk(Tesla) about it but the CEO of Alibaba(Chinese company) has threatened to sue him for shorting the stock...And that isn't meddling in the company's business, its trading..It you don't want your currency traded and invite speculation and investment then make it a fixed currency...

When EURO was trading at 1.45/1.50 back in 2011, Soros was short and said it would go to par to the US dollar..The European Union didn't pitch a hissy fit, they were probably happy but Soros was right again..EURUSD is around 1.0650 now..

Morals, you know how like I won't invest in weapons producing companies, even though I could make a happy return.
Don't hide behind logic when dealing with the heart.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

Meddling in governments affairs???...Come on man...

Did you say moral-less???..He is trading...

Th currency market is a freely openly traded market much like the stock market..Soros took a position against a currency based on a countries economic policies..Just like other Fund managers take positions in certain stocks..You wouldn't say Buffet is "meddling in a company's business" if he is betting against the company's success based on fundamentals...If you don't want your stock traded, go private..

Asians take it personally when you bet against them..They get upset and pout..Hedge fund manager Jim Chanos bets against companies all the time..Currently he is short(betting against) Tesla and Alibaba..You don't hear a peep from Elon Musk(Tesla) about it but the CEO of Alibaba(Chinese company) has threatened to sue him for shorting the stock...And that isn't meddling in the company's business, its trading..It you don't want your currency traded and invite speculation and investment then make it a fixed currency...

When EURO was trading at 1.45/1.50 back in 2011, Soros was short and said it would go to par to the US dollar..The European Union didn't pitch a hissy fit, they were probably happy but Soros was right again..EURUSD is around 1.0650 now..

Morals, you know how like I won't invest in weapons producing companies, even though I could make a happy return.
Don't hide behind logic when dealing with the heart.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

I'm asking you instead of "just do a bit of searching" because this "searching" we all rely on is part of the problem. My searches are going to be different than yours. Algorithmic bubbles we are all slipping into. You are the one who brought him up many pages back. Now if you just don't feel like doing what I asked you, that's fine, you don't owe me anything.

But I think you talk about George Soros because other people talk about him, and he bubbles up to the top of these aggregators and algorithms. "Trending" ... "1M people are talking about this" ... "I'm hearing things" ... Rumor, innuendo and insinuations.

I know if I was an illegal who overstayed my visa or paid a smuggler to get me in or swam across a river or trekked through a desert to bust my ass working and live in the shadows... there is nothing I'd rather do than risk all of that by scamming the local Board of Elections to get my name in the voter rolls and then show up, stand in line for an hour, pull the ultimate con job over the American electorate. Does it pay as well as protesting against Trump?

If there were millions that did this, you'd really hope there were records of at least 100 people getting caught, we might as well just hang up this whole democracy thing. Our Board of Elections across the country are either thoroughly corrupted or abject failures.

I'd also just remind you how crazy you thought my question to you about your immigration status in Germany was. The idea you'd incriminate yourself even in a semi-anonymous forum was a crazy one. So why would a million people with a compromised immigration status further compromise it in real life or via mail?

It's all one big argument from ignorance Trump is playing.

I've come across Soros data for years. He is a big player globally. And I'll say I am not against everything he does. The guy has actually tried to help people. Even in that video, they mention how someone in Africa asked him for advice on how to stop being a victim (or something like that) from speculators (like Soros himself admittedly said) and Soros helped the man with an honest letter. But the lack of morals comes through. Saying "Well, if I didn't do it then someone else would", is just lacking compassion, heart, etc. Remember that Einstein quote, my sig now...

Off the top of my head nothing comes to me, sure your research would show something different, but as I said, Soros operates quite often out in the open. Though that video I posted of him was basically wiped from the net until recently. 1 source was found and then spread again.

If I come across anything I'll post it for sure. And his name often comes up, so it will happen.

Re illegal immigrants voting, I'm just saying there is huge motive to vote illegally = face deportation potentially under Trump (though it looks like just for law breakers - what laws, no one knows). I'll see what I come up with and post it.
I really doubt it would come to millions (at least in any one area.) Now, if there are 20-30 million illegals in America (I just made up that number, I have no idea but surely it is in the millions), even if a small % voted illegally, it would have an effect, at least could.

A voter ID card, at least at face value, seems like a smart option re it.

Again, coming from an ex-IT guy, there is no anonymity on the internet when you break the law and post it (unless you are REAL GOOD). They have my ip address. Getting it is just a form away. And if you are a good hacker, there are some more possibilities available. So, I'm reminding you as well...

Ignorance is all around, look at this forum, look at the country, look at the world - pretty much divided. I really doubt that the 25% that voted for Hillory (or Trump), got it all right and the other 25% got it all wrong. Then there is that 50% who saw a flawed system, were fed up, too lazy, etc. and just didn't vote.

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not bad since he isn't even in office yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/29/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html

That means they're shipping 2000 instead of 3000 jobs to Mexico, and they get a nice tax deal for doing it. Wonderful.

Who is the president right now? Where is he taking us? Where did he take us? Trump trying to undo some of those horrors.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/under-obama-black-unemployment-back-to-twice-the-white-rate/article/2534597

Talk about switching the topic! When you realize what you were praising Trump for made no sense, you start knocking the current President with almost a 60% approval rating!

Switching the topic? Not sure I understand as Trump isn't even president right now, Obama is. Trump is trying to fix some of what Obama did. Of course the issue crosses.
Trump just saved 1000 jobs and you are criticising him???

I believe that 60% approval rating like I believed the Brexit polls, Hillary Clinton has a 95% chance of winning polls, Hillary Clinton leading polls, etc.
Sounds like more Fake News.

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not bad since he isn't even in office yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/29/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html

That means they're shipping 2000 instead of 3000 jobs to Mexico, and they get a nice tax deal for doing it. Wonderful.

Who is the president right now? Where is he taking us? Where did he take us? Trump trying to undo some of those horrors.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/under-obama-black-unemployment-back-to-twice-the-white-rate/article/2534597

You did read the article, right? It was written in 2013.

You did your due diligence here? Not just post something cause it fits your talking point and hope it sticks?

Looks like Obama first made things worse and now he is roughly back to where he started 8 years later. And look at it compared to Whites and Asians.
Looks pretty much double to me.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/st_2016-06-27_race-inequality-ch1-07/

More than a million people and there isn't one county clerk being forced to resign? No perp walks from undercover sting operations by election monitors? I can imagine what a million illegal votes would look like, and it sure ain't what's happening now. Trump is a ****ing liar.

Doesn't pass muster with me.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not bad since he isn't even in office yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/29/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html

That means they're shipping 2000 instead of 3000 jobs to Mexico, and they get a nice tax deal for doing it. Wonderful.

Who is the president right now? Where is he taking us? Where did he take us? Trump trying to undo some of those horrors.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/under-obama-black-unemployment-back-to-twice-the-white-rate/article/2534597

Talk about switching the topic! When you realize what you were praising Trump for made no sense, you start knocking the current President with almost a 60% approval rating!

Switching the topic? Not sure I understand as Trump isn't even president right now, Obama is. Trump is trying to fix some of what Obama did. Of course the issue crosses.
Trump just saved 1000 jobs and you are criticising him???

I believe that 60% approval rating like I believed the Brexit polls, Hillary Clinton has a 95% chance of winning polls, Hillary Clinton leading polls, etc.
Sounds like more Fake News.

The US election polls were off by less than 2 points and the 538 statisticians gave trump a 1 in 3 shot of winning the EC.

fishmike wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:It's funny how the same people who will rail against regulations and harp on about simply enforcing the laws we current have, are asking for more regulations in voting instead of prosecuting the people responsible for allowing millions of illegals to corrupt our voting system like they claim.

More than a million people and there isn't one county clerk being forced to resign? No perp walks from undercover sting operations by election monitors? I can imagine what a million illegal votes would look like, and it sure ain't what's happening now. Trump is a ****ing liar.

That has long been established and documented. However it has no bearing or impact, it simply doesn't. Guys like EMS will just keep pumping Hillary's corruption and say things like "drain the swamp" while Trump lies about everything and fills the white house with career politicians and billionaires from wall street. Oh.. and Obama created ISIS and Hillary wrote all the laws that brought us to where we are. See how easy that is? Need evidence? Search youtube

martin wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Here is the scenario... My immigrantion status is precarious. I know that breaking the law will expose me to deportation even under the Obama Administration — the "deporter-in-chief" as his critics call him. So I and a million others will risk exposing my status and becoming a criminal that could get me deported under any administration... because of Trump.

Doesn't pass muster with me.

Whoa

Hypothetical... not actually me. I'm trying to imagine what would get a million illegal votes. Is it a million illegal immigrants? Or a million illegal votes by illegals, non-citizens, felons... who knows.

It just doesn't make sense. It's just fear mongering to support additional voting restrictions seems to me. I'm trying to get EMS to use his own expat status to really question the likelihood of his scenario playing out a million times