gunsnewing wrote:This is something I noticed months ago. Don't worry face to face debating is about to begin. She won't be able to hide or appear on softball talk shows smiling and laughing at their lame jokes. During the debates the candidates will be well versed on stock questions ans answers but America won't be fooled. Americans will vote for who they feel will be the best commander in chief and It won't be Hillary.

Up until now her best strategy was to lay low and and risk exposing her weaknesses by actually speaking. Like how the DNC followed the RNC of how when Trump is proactive like when he met with law enforcement both Hillary and Obama followed.

I know the dumbing down of America is all part of the plan to turn us into another socialist country but I truly feel we are being underestimated

Hes going to destroy her in the debates and hes going to win. I think it's in the best interests of the US. While the President is merely a figurehead --lower taxes stronger security--rebuilt infrastructure is in the US best interests. I think minorities can be heard with Trump--I think he will listen and help. I dont think its racist to want to enforce immigration laws that are in place. Hillary wins--its just business as usual. Hillary could care less who is in the projects she dont give a rats arse. I think Trump does--I think this is whre his narcissism helps--he WANTS to do a better job than Obama and Bush---he has shown he will work hard. He doesnt want his legacy sullied--he will work with everyone--I believe that.

Go drive around CT and try to find 1 Hillary Clinton banner--you cant find 1 Trump is all over the place--every town. Hes going to get the quiet vote and it will be much bigger than people think.

BRIGGS wrote:She never gives interviews--she has no policies. Its come to the point that her game plan is to bash Trump--thats it. Trump is right--exactly what has a democratic President done for African American or Hispanic sin the last 20 years---nothing. If African American blindly vote for Clinton because they are following others they are simply following the same path. If the same path dont complain about the outcome. I think Trump is such a narcissist that he wants to be known as someone who did a good job. This is the time AA and Hispanic leaders should go talk with Trump--because I think the guy will cut deals with minorities to help them and expand the job base. Despite some stupid rhetoric--I think he wanst to do a good job for everyone and its up to some of our minorities over the next 2 months to really think--do I want more of the same or WORSE--or maybe should we try a guy who will sincerely try to help us? Educated wealthy whites dont like Trump--they like status quo--wealthy educated whites who control the media and many jobs--those are the people who right now hold the election in their hands UNLESS minorities stop and think. If African Americans and His panics change their thought process and they have time--I think this guy will do much better for them. And we want to see improvement in the uS--not just for wealthy whites.

BRIGGS wrote:She never gives interviews--she has no policies. Its come to the point that her game plan is to bash Trump--thats it. Trump is right--exactly what has a democratic President done for African American or Hispanic sin the last 20 years---nothing. If African American blindly vote for Clinton because they are following others they are simply following the same path. If the same path dont complain about the outcome. I think Trump is such a narcissist that he wants to be known as someone who did a good job. This is the time AA and Hispanic leaders should go talk with Trump--because I think the guy will cut deals with minorities to help them and expand the job base. Despite some stupid rhetoric--I think he wanst to do a good job for everyone and its up to some of our minorities over the next 2 months to really think--do I want more of the same or WORSE--or maybe should we try a guy who will sincerely try to help us? Educated wealthy whites dont like Trump--they like status quo--wealthy educated whites who control the media and many jobs--those are the people who right now hold the election in their hands UNLESS minorities stop and think. If African Americans and His panics change their thought process and they have time--I think this guy will do much better for them. And we want to see improvement in the uS--not just for wealthy whites.

Briggs there is so much to disagree with here it's hard to find where to start.
- Yes minorities have not been treated fairly. But what party has been behind voter suppression aimed at minorities. What party has fought affirmative action. Since the civil rights movement drove southern whites to the republican, the republican party has consistently played to it's base, consistently taking action that hurt minorities. Read what Ehrlichman said about Nixon's War on Drugs.Note how the inner city drug crack were treated much more harshly than powdered cocaine. The republican party has consistently done their best to suppress minority votes and treat minorities more harshly in the criminal justice system.

- Since when do you have to be a narcisist to want to do a good job. Everyone who becomes president wants to do a good job - a narcissist only cares about appearing to do a good job.

- Trump has a long history of screwing people in negotiations. He brags about his bankruptcies being good business - maybe - but he screwed the people left holding the bag. Than there are all the little guys he intimidated into taking pennies on the dollar. Why exactly should minorities trust him to cut them a good deal?

- Why do you think Trump would sincerely try to help anyone - please point out all those times in his history when he has put other's before himself or tried to help anyone? He doesn't even donate to his own 'charity' - LOL. The guy is probably one of the most selfish people on the face of the earth. Why would you possibly think he gave a s&*t about anyone but himself.

- You think Hillary has no policies. The only thing Trump has served up is Stupid Rhetoric - there is nothing apart from it.

- Trump has only reached out to minorities now, because he has finally realized that he needs to carry at least some small percentage to have a chance. He has been campaigning for over year based on returning America to the time when minorities, women and gays had no social,economic or political power. Even with all the problems we have America is greater now, than the America Trump wants to return us to.

PS - Left out totally that the guy obsession with tabloid level conspiracy theories. I wouldn't trust the guy to watch my dog - never mind lead my country.

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is something I noticed months ago. Don't worry face to face debating is about to begin. She won't be able to hide or appear on softball talk shows smiling and laughing at their lame jokes. During the debates the candidates will be well versed on stock questions ans answers but America won't be fooled. Americans will vote for who they feel will be the best commander in chief and It won't be Hillary.

Up until now her best strategy was to lay low and and risk exposing her weaknesses by actually speaking. Like how the DNC followed the RNC of how when Trump is proactive like when he met with law enforcement both Hillary and Obama followed.

I know the dumbing down of America is all part of the plan to turn us into another socialist country but I truly feel we are being underestimated

Hes going to destroy her in the debates and hes going to win. I think it's in the best interests of the US. While the President is merely a figurehead --lower taxes stronger security--rebuilt infrastructure is in the US best interests. I think minorities can be heard with Trump--I think he will listen and help. I dont think its racist to want to enforce immigration laws that are in place. Hillary wins--its just business as usual. Hillary could care less who is in the projects she dont give a rats arse. I think Trump does--I think this is whre his narcissism helps--he WANTS to do a better job than Obama and Bush---he has shown he will work hard. He doesnt want his legacy sullied--he will work with everyone--I believe that.

Go drive around CT and try to find 1 Hillary Clinton banner--you cant find 1 Trump is all over the place--every town. Hes going to get the quiet vote and it will be much bigger than people think.

If he's gonna win anyway, why worry about what black folks and Latinos are gonna do on Election Day? If it's such a foregone conclusion, what are we even talking about this for? He's got this, then. I guess we'll just try to get some of those wall-building gigs and see if we can work our way into his meeting calendar, with our Muslim beanies in hand.

1.) Trump supporters can't seem to go a paragraph without talking about Clinton.

Even with his own supporters, there is an unwillingness or inability to endorse his candidacy on its own terms. It only works in contrast.

2.) Trumps supporters seem uniformly fixated on the results of the election ("Trump is going to win", "Trump is going to surprise") rather than actual policy.

3.) Trump supporters are emboldened and come out of hibernation and begin predicting victory during those rare instances when the candiate doesn't shoot himself in the foot for a few consecutive days at a time.

4.) Trump supporters don't seem to fundamentally grasp what powers the office of POTUS actually possesses, which is logically a reflection of the candidate's own lack of understanding.

5.) Trump supporters can't or won't engage in substantive policy discussion.

Again, like a reflection of the candidate himself, they seem to favor broad declarative statements/boasts. Confronted with reasonable points of debate and discussion of the issues, they remain lockset on simply expressing their own vague feelings.

Entertaining and addressing any challenge to their preconceived notions doesn't seem to be in their skill set.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If I was an African American leader Id go to Trump and say Mr Trump can we get your word you will come in and rebuild our inner cities schools and make sure our neighborhood are safe--and if need be we want it patrolled by a largely African American police force to ensure people feel safe?

Again, what powers does a President possess to do any of those things?

Why isn't that a question you will answer?

That's one thing us African American need to get more in the habit of. Voting locally, supporting and funding local politicians who have our best interest. While I don't have an opinion on Kapernick sitting during the anthem in terms of patriotism. At the end of the day it probably won't be as productive as if he used his millions and networked with other millionaires given his platform in order to support and fund the people who will have to power to make the necessary changes and developments.

Can't just be about the president.

Shouldn't be about the President at all.

He has no power to rebuild inner cities. Congress holds the power over the U.S. domestic fiscal policy. And NO GOP controlled House is going to adopt that agenda.

The President holds no power to shape local law enforcement.

This is the problem. It isn't the ignorance as much as the lack of a conscious about the ignorance.

People just don't CARE that they're uninformed and don't even possess a basic foundation in which to make a good decision.

They prefer their conviction to be misinformed if they want to and on display here, the feel empowered by the strength of their misinformed numbers, which is misinformation in of itself.

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If I was an African American leader Id go to Trump and say Mr Trump can we get your word you will come in and rebuild our inner cities schools and make sure our neighborhood are safe--and if need be we want it patrolled by a largely African American police force to ensure people feel safe?

Again, what powers does a President possess to do any of those things?

Why isn't that a question you will answer?

That's one thing us African American need to get more in the habit of. Voting locally, supporting and funding local politicians who have our best interest. While I don't have an opinion on Kapernick sitting during the anthem in terms of patriotism. At the end of the day it probably won't be as productive as if he used his millions and networked with other millionaires given his platform in order to support and fund the people who will have to power to make the necessary changes and developments.

Can't just be about the president.

Shouldn't be about the President at all.

He has no power to rebuild inner cities. Congress holds the power over the U.S. domestic fiscal policy. And NO GOP controlled House is going to adopt that agenda.

The President holds no power to shape local law enforcement.

This is the problem. It isn't the ignorance as much as the lack of a conscious about the ignorance.

People just don't CARE that they're uninformed and don't even possess a basic foundation in which to make a good decision.

They prefer their conviction to be misinformed if they want to and on display here, the feel empowered by the strength of their misinformed numbers, which is misinformation in of itself.

United States Congress elections, 2016. A total of 469 seats in the U.S. Congress (34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 8, 2016. The big story of the 2016 congressional election cycle is whether or not the Democratic Party will be able to regain control of the Senate.

November 7th 2017: Elections for Mayor of NY, and Governor of NJ.

Knickoftime wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't happy with how Trump changed his to e again when speaking to supporters. Either he is purposely trying to rile up his supporters thinking there is enough of them who will vote him in or he's still not seeing the full picture. It was getting harder for me to defend his more recent actions but I really liked how his new campaign manager reeled him in and got him back on message. Right before he canned Maniford I was saying Trump needs to stop getting sidetracked and ease up with the unnecessary rhetoric that Has done him no good. In fact lead to him falling 10pts behind Hillary in he polls. He closed within 2pts as of last night but I'm sure his deficit increased some after last nights speech. His new campaign manager seemed to get brought to him that I order to win he needs to use more unifying language and policies. He was sounding as Presidential as ever for a past few weeks. He meeting with the President of Mexico went well and then he got sidetracked again late last night

If two people have a meeting, and come away from it with two wildly different accounts on what was even discussed — i.e. Mexico paying for a big, beautiful wall on our southern border — how is that an example of a meeting that went well?

There is no way for us to know what actually was said in that off-the-record meeting, so how can you say it went well?

Same way we don't know what Trump is hiding financially, because he won't release any of his tax returns. This is unprecedented behavior from a major party candidate since Watergate. Only 3rd party Perot in '92 didn't do this.

But I guess once you become a billionaire you don't have to worry about accountability and transparency, right? Anyone vigilant about Hillary's obscurantism but is so easily able to give Trump a pass on his is being a hypocrite.

I think the thing over Trump's tax returns are likely overstated.

If released I'm certain they'd be astonishingly excellent and show only positive results.

I'd be willing to wager that unequivocally, he has the best tax returns of any man ever elected to presidency.

No doubt! Can you imagine the deductions? The best deductions I bet. We'd just get sick of all of Trump's great deductions. Oh man, and the effective tax rate? I bet he won't be caught paying 14% like that loser Romney. Sad! Winners don't pay a rate that high... what a lousy deal.

It's best we don't worry our pretty little heads about it I reckon.

Knickoftime wrote:Five general sociological observations on display on this thread:

1.) Trump supporters can't seem to go a paragraph without talking about Clinton.

Even with his own supporters, there is an unwillingness or inability to endorse his candidacy on its own terms. It only works in contrast.

2.) Trumps supporters seem uniformly fixated on the results of the election ("Trump is going to win", "Trump is going to surprise") rather than actual policy.

3.) Trump supporters are emboldened and come out of hibernation and begin predicting victory during those rare instances when the candiate doesn't shoot himself in the foot for a few consecutive days at a time.

4.) Trump supporters don't seem to fundamentally grasp what powers the office of POTUS actually possesses, which is logically a reflection of the candidate's own lack of understanding.

5.) Trump supporters can't or won't engage in substantive policy discussion.

Again, like a reflection of the candidate himself, they seem to favor broad declarative statements/boasts. Confronted with reasonable points of debate and discussion of the issues, they remain lockset on simply expressing their own vague feelings.

Entertaining and addressing any challenge to their preconceived notions doesn't seem to be in their skill set.

Well said Knickoftime

nixluva wrote:I'll tell you what the problem is! Most African Americans still live in the Black Belt, which are the former Slave holding states. The cities and towns have been run by the same power structure since before the Civil War and after Reconstruction 1870's. They've kept things the way they always have been using local government and police. I live in the Deep South and I can tell you NOTHING has really changed. They just recently had their first Senior Prom that wasn't segregated in many towns down here!!! You have no idea how things really are outside the Blue State Cities.

What do you think about hypothetical situation is we will create all black state... All non-African American will move out and African American will move in.
No white policing, no white/asian businesses, no institutional racism... Will this sate be a great place to live for African American people?