nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8aMnKDbAK/

I think Courtney Lee is one of the secret keys to our season (along with Brandon Jennings and Lance Thomas)

Glad to see he's getting some time in with DRose.

CAN THE SEASON JUST START ALREADY??

Yeah it's good to see them working out together. I also can't wait for the season to begin. I think this team has very good balance, depth and quality.

We'll see. I mean we have gotten our hopes up before only to see them crash. Hopefully this team will be different...time will tell

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8aMnKDbAK/

I think Courtney Lee is one of the secret keys to our season (along with Brandon Jennings and Lance Thomas)

Glad to see he's getting some time in with DRose.

CAN THE SEASON JUST START ALREADY??

Yeah it's good to see them working out together. I also can't wait for the season to begin. I think this team has very good balance, depth and quality.

We'll see. I mean we have gotten our hopes up before only to see them crash. Hopefully this team will be different...time will tell

Well it worked out better than some hoped with the 54 win team. No team since then has had this level of talent!!! Which of our recent teams have had this many legit threats? Which team had this balance and depth?

It's not not about getting hopes up. Not so much a wait and see thing with me. We pretty much know what many of these players can do already. It's up to the players and coaches to come together and maximize what they have. Can things fail or go bad? Of course. I just don't think it's likely that this team will play poorly. Last year the team played .500 ball when they were healthy and that team was not as good as this one should be. Moreover these players recognize how talented this team is and that they have a chance to seriously compete and they are HIGHLY motivated to make it work. They aren't coming in timid or fearful about the season.

The top 7 is full of guys that know what they can do and have a very strong on court demeanor.

Rose
Lee
Melo
KP
Noah
BJ
LT

The rest of the bench has some very interesting talent. Willy, Kuz, Holiday, KOQ and Sasha isn't bad, off the bench. I don't believe we should be nervous about this team as if it's sketchy in some way. It's a nice roster that we should be excited about.

God bless your optimism nix. I admit I'm more optimistic this year mostly because KP is a beast in the making. However I try to temper my expectation because the past 16 years something seems to go wrong lol

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8aMnKDbAK/

I think Courtney Lee is one of the secret keys to our season (along with Brandon Jennings and Lance Thomas)

Glad to see he's getting some time in with DRose.

CAN THE SEASON JUST START ALREADY??

Yeah it's good to see them working out together. I also can't wait for the season to begin. I think this team has very good balance, depth and quality.

We'll see. I mean we have gotten our hopes up before only to see them crash. Hopefully this team will be different...time will tell

Well it worked out better than some hoped with the 54 win team. No team since then has had this level of talent!!! Which of our recent teams have had this many legit threats? Which team had this balance and depth?

It's not not about getting hopes up. Not so much a wait and see thing with me. We pretty much know what many of these players can do already. It's up to the players and coaches to come together and maximize what they have. Can things fail or go bad? Of course. I just don't think it's likely that this team will play poorly. Last year the team played .500 ball when they were healthy and that team was not as good as this one should be. Moreover these players recognize how talented this team is and that they have a chance to seriously compete and they are HIGHLY motivated to make it work. They aren't coming in timid or fearful about the season.

The top 7 is full of guys that know what they can do and have a very strong on court demeanor.

Rose
Lee
Melo
KP
Noah
BJ
LT

The rest of the bench has some very interesting talent. Willy, Kuz, Holiday, KOQ and Sasha isn't bad, off the bench. I don't believe we should be nervous about this team as if it's sketchy in some way. It's a nice roster that we should be excited about.

God bless your optimism nix. I admit I'm more optimistic this year mostly because KP is a beast in the making. However I try to temper my expectation because the past 16 years something seems to go wrong lol

I understand the reasons people are somewhat reluctant, but I don't believe in that. It seems to me that only because it's the Knicks there's this superstition that it won't work, despite how well the team did in the 54 win season. To me it's no different. If you put together the right talent you should be able to win in the NBA.

This team makes the most sense since that 54 win team. The way that Hornacek intends to have this team play fits with the talent we have. The roster has fit and balance. Rose is a push guard that can penetrate. Lee is a catch and shoot, 3nD SG. Melo is a proven scoring threat from anywhere. KP is a young beast with multiple skills and internal desire to be great. Noah is a vocal leader and ball mover that sets the tone for his teams. I don't have to be timid about what that group should be able to do together under Hornacek.

I think the 54 win team is getting a bit too much hype. That year we had a lot of things go our way finally. However as we know in the playoffs we came back to earth and got our asses kicked pretty much. I know you think I'm being negative but I'm not. I try to be objective and I want them to prove themselves before I buy into them as a great team. I do think we will be better barring any injuries. KP is what gives me hope...the kid is a beast. I admit I can be hard on melo but ive been happy with his play from the Olympics and I'm confident he will carry it over. I really liked the lee and Jennings signings. I also like willy and kuz coming from overseas. I admit I'm not a huge fan of the rose trade. I like noah but I preferred a shorter term deal. So in actuality I am pretty positive but I try to stay grounded until the team shows they are for real.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8aMnKDbAK/

I think Courtney Lee is one of the secret keys to our season (along with Brandon Jennings and Lance Thomas)

Glad to see he's getting some time in with DRose.

CAN THE SEASON JUST START ALREADY??

Yeah it's good to see them working out together. I also can't wait for the season to begin. I think this team has very good balance, depth and quality.

We'll see. I mean we have gotten our hopes up before only to see them crash. Hopefully this team will be different...time will tell

Well it worked out better than some hoped with the 54 win team. No team since then has had this level of talent!!! Which of our recent teams have had this many legit threats? Which team had this balance and depth?

It's not not about getting hopes up. Not so much a wait and see thing with me. We pretty much know what many of these players can do already. It's up to the players and coaches to come together and maximize what they have. Can things fail or go bad? Of course. I just don't think it's likely that this team will play poorly. Last year the team played .500 ball when they were healthy and that team was not as good as this one should be. Moreover these players recognize how talented this team is and that they have a chance to seriously compete and they are HIGHLY motivated to make it work. They aren't coming in timid or fearful about the season.

The top 7 is full of guys that know what they can do and have a very strong on court demeanor.

Rose
Lee
Melo
KP
Noah
BJ
LT

The rest of the bench has some very interesting talent. Willy, Kuz, Holiday, KOQ and Sasha isn't bad, off the bench. I don't believe we should be nervous about this team as if it's sketchy in some way. It's a nice roster that we should be excited about.

God bless your optimism nix. I admit I'm more optimistic this year mostly because KP is a beast in the making. However I try to temper my expectation because the past 16 years something seems to go wrong lol

I understand the reasons people are somewhat reluctant, but I don't believe in that. It seems to me that only because it's the Knicks there's this superstition that it won't work, despite how well the team did in the 54 win season. To me it's no different. If you put together the right talent you should be able to win in the NBA.

This team makes the most sense since that 54 win team. The way that Hornacek intends to have this team play fits with the talent we have. The roster has fit and balance. Rose is a push guard that can penetrate. Lee is a catch and shoot, 3nD SG. Melo is a proven scoring threat from anywhere. KP is a young beast with multiple skills and internal desire to be great. Noah is a vocal leader and ball mover that sets the tone for his teams. I don't have to be timid about what that group should be able to do together under Hornacek.

I think the 54 win team is getting a bit too much hype. That year we had a lot of things go our way finally. However as we know in the playoffs we came back to earth and got our asses kicked pretty much. I know you think I'm being negative but I'm not. I try to be objective and I want them to prove themselves before I buy into them as a great team. I do think we will be better barring any injuries. KP is what gives me hope...the kid is a beast. I admit I can be hard on melo but ive been happy with his play from the Olympics and I'm confident he will carry it over. I really liked the lee and Jennings signings. I also like willy and kuz coming from overseas. I admit I'm not a huge fan of the rose trade. I like noah but I preferred a shorter term deal. So in actuality I am pretty positive but I try to stay grounded until the team shows they are for real.

I posted this in another thread regarding Rose. I think it shows some of the things that get hidden within the numbers at times.

Rose actually shot well on Pull Ups after the All Star break. Among guards he was one of the top players in attempts. Now look at his FG% compared to all the other top guards from 2pt range. He has a low 3pt % which lowers his eFG%, but he rarely took pull up 3pt shots compared to the other top guards.

Pull Up Shots: Any jump shot outside 10 feet where a player took 1 or more dribbles before shooting.

Player	       Team	GP	W	L	MIN	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	eFG%
Stephen Curry  GSW	29	24	5	34.8	11.6	4.2	10.0	41.7	3.2	7.6	42.5	57.9
Brandon Knight PHX	10	3	7	34.7	9.8	3.7	9.9	37.4	2.4	6.0	40.0	49.5
Chris Paul     LAC	26	17	9	32.1	9.3	4.1	9.7	42.2	1.2	3.7	31.6	48.2
James Harden   HOU	27	14	13	39.7	8.4	3.4	9.4	36.4	1.6	5.0	32.1	44.9
Damian Lillard POR	28	17	11	35.0	8.4	3.3	9.2	35.3	1.9	5.1	38.0	45.7
John Wall      WAS	26	14	12	36.2	7.4	3.4	9.1	37.6	0.5	1.5	35.0	40.5
Kobe Bryant    LAL	21	4	17	25.9	6.9	3.0	9.1	32.8	0.9	3.0	28.1	37.5
Jrue Holiday   NOP	18	7	11	33.4	7.7	3.3	8.4	39.1	1.2	3.7	31.3	46.0
Kemba Walker   CHA	29	21	8	35.3	7.3	2.9	8.0	35.9	1.6	4.6	35.6	46.1
Russ Westbrook OKC	26	15	11	34.5	6.9	3.0	8.0	37.0	1.0	3.5	28.6	43.3
CJ McCollum    POR	28	17	11	34.3	7.1	3.2	7.6	41.6	0.8	1.9	40.4	46.5
Kyrie Irving   CLE	27	17	10	33.1	6.4	2.8	7.4	38.0	0.7	2.7	27.0	43.0
Jamal Crawford LAC	26	16	10	28.0	5.6	2.4	7.1	34.1	0.8	2.5	31.3	39.5
DeMar DeRozan  TOR	26	18	8	35.6	5.4	2.7	7.0	37.7	0.1	0.3	25.0	38.3
Derrick Rose   CHI	21	10	11	30.9	6.4	3.1	7.0	44.5	0.2	0.7	28.6	45.9

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVE_FG_PCT&dir=1

Drives: Any touch that starts at least 20 feet of the hoop and is dribbled within 10 feet of the hoop and excludes fast breaks. Measures the total number of drives as well as the points, assists and shooting percentages on drives to the basket.

Player	        Team  GP  W  L  MIN  DRIVES  FGM  FGA  FG%  FTM  FTA  FT%  PTS  PTS%  PASS  PASS%  AST  AST%  TO  TO%  PF  PF%
Eric Bledsoe    PHX   31  12 19	34.2 11.7    2.3  4.9  46.4 1.6  1.9  86.4 6.2	53.2  4.5   38.0   1.1  9.4   1.1 9.1  1.3 11.3
Isaiah Thomas   BOS   81  47 34	32.2 11.7    2.6  5.8  45.4 2.4  2.9  83.7 7.6	65.2  3.8   32.7   1.0	8.9   0.7 5.9  1.9 15.8
DeMar DeRozan   TOR   77  52 25	35.9 11.6    2.9  5.8  50.6 2.8  3.4  83.0 8.7	74.4  3.7   31.4   0.9	8.1   0.5 4.0  2.2 18.5
Ish Smith       PHI   77  16 61	29.1 11.1    2.2  5.0  44.6 0.6  1.0  63.5 5.1	45.6  5.1   45.6   1.4	12.6  0.6 5.1  0.7 6.3
Jeff Teague     ATL   79  47 32	28.5 11.1    2.4  5.2  45.7 1.7  2.0  82.9 6.4	57.5  4.0   36.3   0.9	8.3   0.8 7.0  1.2 11.1
Reggie Jackson  DET   79  43 36	30.7 10.6    3.0  6.1  49.0 1.5  1.7  86.9 7.5	70.0  2.9   27.3   0.9	8.2   0.7 6.9  1.1 10.5
Tyreke Evans    NOP   25  11 14	30.6 10.4    2.3  5.2  43.8 1.9  2.2  85.5 6.4	61.7  3.2   30.3   0.8	8.0   0.9 8.8  1.2 11.9
Russ Westbrook  OKC   80  55 25	34.4 10.1    2.4  4.8  50.7 2.3  2.8  82.1 7.1	70.7  3.2   31.5   1.1	11.0  0.8 7.6  1.7 17.1
Rajon Rondo     SAC   71  29 42	35.4 9.9     2.1  4.1  50.7 0.4  0.7  54.2 4.5	45.7  4.3   43.0   1.4	14.1  1.0 10.1 0.5 4.8
Jrue Holiday    NOP   65  27 38	28.2 9.8     2.7  5.3  50.4 1.6  1.9  86.1 6.9	71.0  3.0   30.7   0.8	8.7   0.5 4.9  1.2 12.3
Damian Lillard  POR   75  40 35	35.7 9.8     2.7  5.5  48.2 2.5  2.7  91.1 7.8	79.4  2.4   24.3   0.8	7.9   0.5 5.4  1.6 16.4
Kyle Lowry      TOR   76  53 23	36.9 9.5     1.9  4.4  44.3 1.5  1.8  84.2 5.4	56.4  3.4   35.3   1.1	11.5  0.6 6.8  1.2 12.3
James Harden    HOU   82  41 41	38.1 9.4     2.1  4.3  49.6 2.9  3.4  86.0 7.2	76.6  2.5   26.5   0.9	9.2   0.9 9.4  2.1 22.2
Goran Dragic    MIA   72  44 28	32.8 9.4     1.8  3.4  52.8 0.7  1.0  70.4 4.4	46.2  4.6   48.8   1.3	14.1  0.8 8.1  0.6 6.8
Kyrie Irving    CLE   53  37 16	31.5 8.9     2.7  5.3  50.7 1.1  1.3  81.2 6.5	72.3  2.5   28.3   0.6	7.2   0.4 4.4  0.9 9.9
Derrick Rose    CHI   66  32 34	31.8 8.9     2.8  5.5  51.0 1.3  1.7  76.1 6.9	76.9  2.1   23.3   0.6	6.5   0.6 7.1  1.0 11.5

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

Pick And Roll Ball Handler

                                                                                        FT      Score   And One SF      TO
Player	        Team  GP  Poss	Freq	PPP	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	eFG%	Freq    Freq	Freq    Freq    Freq  Percentile
Reggie Jackson  DET   79  896	55.9%	0.88	785	318	715	44.5	47.6	7.9%	14.2%	7.3%	2.0%	41.3%	77.2
Damian Lillard  POR   75  815	43.0%	0.92	751	259	628	41.2	47.8	11.4%	13.6%	9.6%	2.3%	40.9%	84.8
Kemba Walker    CHA   81  789	46.7%	0.89	705	261	629	41.5	46.2	10.1%	10.9%	8.4%	0.9%	41.8%	80.7
Chris Paul      LAC   74  749	51.9%	0.94	705	284	604	47.0	50.3	7.7%	12.6%	3.9%	0.9%	44.5%	89.0
Russ Westbrook  OKC   80  722	35.4%	0.85	614	219	502	43.6	47.7	12.7%	19.9%	10.7%	2.2%	40.6%	70.7
John Wall       WAS   77  721	40.2%	0.73	524	225	560	40.2	42.3	5.0%	17.9%	4.4%	0.7%	35.4%	38.3
CJ McCollum     POR   80  642	37.4%	0.92	593	243	521	46.6	50.4	6.7%	13.7%	5.9%	1.6%	43.0%	85.5
Jrue Holiday    NOP   65  618	51.7%	0.87	536	213	501	42.5	45.6	8.3%	12.6%	7.1%	1.9%	40.8%	75.2
James Harden    HOU   82  606	25.9%	0.97	588	165	370	44.6	49.2	20.0%	21.5%	17.7%	2.6%	44.6%	91.4
DeMar DeRozan   TOR   78  593	32.4%	0.99	588	214	445	48.1	48.3	17.0%	10.8%	15.3%	3.0%	49.7%	92.8
Kyle Lowry      TOR   77  582	35.7%	0.86	502	171	423	40.4	46.0	12.5%	16.2%	10.8%	1.4%	40.2%	73.8
Isaiah Thomas   BOS   82  568	31.0%	0.86	487	159	412	38.6	42.6	14.4%	14.6%	10.2%	1.6%	40.8%	72.8
Dennis Schroder ATL   80  568	54.4%	0.71	403	158	417	37.9	39.9	8.6%	19.4%	6.9%	1.4%	34.9%	34.8
Derrick Rose    CHI   66  563	43.5%	0.84	474	207	466	44.4	44.8	7.6%	12.3%	7.3%	2.7%	41.4%	68.3

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/ball-handler/?sort=Poss&dir=1

I expect that the PnR production should improve with this roster. Rose will have much better targets around him and that will make the game easier for him and for his teammates.

i knew you were gonna post stats

EnySpree wrote:I been working out with my fat co worker... that's gotta amount for something

totally

We usually get excited to hear when our guys are w0orking out. KP is getting handles,
Melo is in Rio, Etc etc.

Bottom line is NBA players train off season but when fans read good stuff, they get excited. not a damn thing wrong with that!
Naturally some of us here have to guard our fragile emotions and can't "Too excited".
Including Nalod!!!
Lets just say this team is very interesting and has a tall ceiling given the talent. Reality is they will have to defy some injury patterns!
Jennings has his heel problems, Rose a long list, and Noah's feet, knee and shoulders!!!
This team has the upside to win 57 games!!!!, but the fragile history that could also only win 37 games!!!
KP could be an MVP contender, or hit a sophomore slump.
That's what makes it interesting.