mreinman wrote:we don't know if Rose can or is able to play this less athletic brand of basketball but the fact that he acknowledges this is a plus.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:we don't know if Rose can or is able to play this less athletic brand of basketball but the fact that he acknowledges this is a plus.

we do know he can create space off the dribble almost at will. If he's willing to be more of a facilitator while still in an attacking role we should be in good shape. Hard to call someone at 26 with Rose's work ethic washed up. Time will tell. Its the offseason, people say stuff

I don't have high hopes for him but I am wiling to wait and see how this new brand of basketball transpires. If he can be efficient them great, if not, he won't be what we need. Rondo is not an efficient shooter and he leads the league in assists and plays much much better defense and I think that even he is not a good enough player.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:we don't know if Rose can or is able to play this less athletic brand of basketball but the fact that he acknowledges this is a plus.

we do know he can create space off the dribble almost at will. If he's willing to be more of a facilitator while still in an attacking role we should be in good shape. Hard to call someone at 26 with Rose's work ethic washed up. Time will tell. Its the offseason, people say stuff

I don't have high hopes for him but I am wiling to wait and see how this new brand of basketball transpires. If he can be efficient them great, if not, he won't be what we need. Rondo is not an efficient shooter and he leads the league in assists and plays much much better defense and I think that even he is not a good enough player.

While not spectacular, Rose did improve towards the end of the season and I suspect that he can use that level as a launching point for next year.

Pre/Post All-Star  GP MIN  FGM FGA  FG%  3PM 3PA 3P%  FTM FTA FT%  OREB DREB REB AST TOV STL BLK PF  DD2 TD3 PTS  +/-
Pre All-Star	   45 32.2 6.5 16.0 40.8 0.6 2.3 25.5 2.3 2.8 79.7 0.7  2.9  3.5 4.8 2.7 0.6 0.3 1.6 1   0   15.9 -2.2
Post All-Star	   21 30.9 7.3 15.7 46.8 0.9 2.3 37.5 1.9 2.4 78.4 0.8	2.4  3.1 4.6 2.6 0.7 0.1 0.7 0   0   17.4 -3.3

As for the Super Team comment, it was a regrettable statement and is evidence of how horribly Rose handles speaking to the media. He's a guy that should avoid microphones as much as possible. He simply doesn't have a media savvy bone in his body. That being said, I do think the potential of this team is very high. If Hornacek does a good job of coaching this roster I can see this team being highly competitive with the top teams in this league.

The main reason is that I think this is one of the best fitting rosters we've had in a long time. The players make sense together and there are no serious holes in the roster. Rose being a ball dominant PG actually helps to make Melo play more of a Catch and Shoot role. Likewise when they feed Noah in the Post he becomes the passer and everyone else is cutting, working off screens to become targets. I think we'll see a lot of small ball looks with KP at C. We may see Rose and Jennings a bit to see if it's successful.

I like the Rotation so far. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah, Jennings, LT is a good top 7. Then you've got a mix of Holiday, Sasha, KOQ, Willy, Ndour, Kuz etc. I like the bench talent. I think JH has a lot of talent to work with.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:we don't know if Rose can or is able to play this less athletic brand of basketball but the fact that he acknowledges this is a plus.

we do know he can create space off the dribble almost at will. If he's willing to be more of a facilitator while still in an attacking role we should be in good shape. Hard to call someone at 26 with Rose's work ethic washed up. Time will tell. Its the offseason, people say stuff

I don't have high hopes for him but I am wiling to wait and see how this new brand of basketball transpires. If he can be efficient them great, if not, he won't be what we need. Rondo is not an efficient shooter and he leads the league in assists and plays much much better defense and I think that even he is not a good enough player.

I think many in the media are underestimating just how good Rose actually still is. Sure if you take his entire season stats and ignore the fact that he was hampered by the Orbital Fracture situation, then yes he isn't very good. Rose did start to get it going after that and I think he's had a nice long summer to build up his conditioning and skill level. There's NOTHING physically keeping him from playing at a higher level.

While not spectacular, Rose did improve towards the end of the season and I suspect that he can use that level as a launching point for next year.

Pre/Post All-Star  GP MIN  FGM FGA  FG%  3PM 3PA 3P%  FTM FTA FT%  OREB DREB REB AST TOV STL BLK PF  DD2 TD3 PTS  +/-
Pre All-Star	   45 32.2 6.5 16.0 40.8 0.6 2.3 25.5 2.3 2.8 79.7 0.7  2.9  3.5 4.8 2.7 0.6 0.3 1.6 1   0   15.9 -2.2
Post All-Star	   21 30.9 7.3 15.7 46.8 0.9 2.3 37.5 1.9 2.4 78.4 0.8	2.4  3.1 4.6 2.6 0.7 0.1 0.7 0   0   17.4 -3.3

As for the Super Team comment, it was a regrettable statement and is evidence of how horribly Rose handles speaking to the media. He's a guy that should avoid microphones as much as possible. He simply doesn't have a media savvy bone in his body. That being said, I do think the potential of this team is very high. If Hornacek does a good job of coaching this roster I can see this team being highly competitive with the top teams in this league.

The main reason is that I think this is one of the best fitting rosters we've had in a long time. The players make sense together and there are no serious holes in the roster. Rose being a ball dominant PG actually helps to make Melo play more of a Catch and Shoot role. Likewise when they feed Noah in the Post he becomes the passer and everyone else is cutting, working off screens to become targets. I think we'll see a lot of small ball looks with KP at C. We may see Rose and Jennings a bit to see if it's successful.

I like the Rotation so far. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah, Jennings, LT is a good top 7. Then you've got a mix of Holiday, Sasha, KOQ, Willy, Ndour, Kuz etc. I like the bench talent. I think JH has a lot of talent to work with.

would you be comfortable signing rose to a long term contract now?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:we don't know if Rose can or is able to play this less athletic brand of basketball but the fact that he acknowledges this is a plus.

we do know he can create space off the dribble almost at will. If he's willing to be more of a facilitator while still in an attacking role we should be in good shape. Hard to call someone at 26 with Rose's work ethic washed up. Time will tell. Its the offseason, people say stuff

I don't have high hopes for him but I am wiling to wait and see how this new brand of basketball transpires. If he can be efficient them great, if not, he won't be what we need. Rondo is not an efficient shooter and he leads the league in assists and plays much much better defense and I think that even he is not a good enough player.

I think many in the media are underestimating just how good Rose actually still is. Sure if you take his entire season stats and ignore the fact that he was hampered by the Orbital Fracture situation, then yes he isn't very good. Rose did start to get it going after that and I think he's had a nice long summer to build up his conditioning and skill level. There's NOTHING physically keeping him from playing at a higher level.

While not spectacular, Rose did improve towards the end of the season and I suspect that he can use that level as a launching point for next year.

Pre/Post All-Star  GP MIN  FGM FGA  FG%  3PM 3PA 3P%  FTM FTA FT%  OREB DREB REB AST TOV STL BLK PF  DD2 TD3 PTS  +/-
Pre All-Star	   45 32.2 6.5 16.0 40.8 0.6 2.3 25.5 2.3 2.8 79.7 0.7  2.9  3.5 4.8 2.7 0.6 0.3 1.6 1   0   15.9 -2.2
Post All-Star	   21 30.9 7.3 15.7 46.8 0.9 2.3 37.5 1.9 2.4 78.4 0.8	2.4  3.1 4.6 2.6 0.7 0.1 0.7 0   0   17.4 -3.3

As for the Super Team comment, it was a regrettable statement and is evidence of how horribly Rose handles speaking to the media. He's a guy that should avoid microphones as much as possible. He simply doesn't have a media savvy bone in his body. That being said, I do think the potential of this team is very high. If Hornacek does a good job of coaching this roster I can see this team being highly competitive with the top teams in this league.

The main reason is that I think this is one of the best fitting rosters we've had in a long time. The players make sense together and there are no serious holes in the roster. Rose being a ball dominant PG actually helps to make Melo play more of a Catch and Shoot role. Likewise when they feed Noah in the Post he becomes the passer and everyone else is cutting, working off screens to become targets. I think we'll see a lot of small ball looks with KP at C. We may see Rose and Jennings a bit to see if it's successful.

I like the Rotation so far. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah, Jennings, LT is a good top 7. Then you've got a mix of Holiday, Sasha, KOQ, Willy, Ndour, Kuz etc. I like the bench talent. I think JH has a lot of talent to work with.

would you be comfortable signing rose to a long term contract now?

WHY? He'll have his year to show just what he can do and then there will still be other options in Free Agency. We'll deal with that when we get there.

my point is that if you are really confident in him being good then you would be willing to give him a contract today if you had to (of course we don't have to and can wait ...).

If you would not be confident in doing that then you are in the same boat as most including the media (which is fine too). Until he proves it, nobody is buying.