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dk7th
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7/27/2016  8:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2016  8:17 PM
bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/27/2016  8:35 PM
So because we took a chance on some players with an injury history this season, lets go out to sign some more of them? No thanks.

Pass.

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7/27/2016  8:37 PM
I would love to have Gallo. But I would focus on the Greek freak first. The core 3 of my dreams would be Kp6, Giannis and Winslow.
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7/27/2016  8:37 PM
If he can stay healthy he might be a candidate to get traded at the deadline. Phil has gone out and gotten some guys coming off of injuries but Gallinari has been so injury prone. I think Phil is probably chasing bigger fish next offseason. Maybe Gallinari peaks interest if he can stay on the court. He has broken the 70 game mark twice in 10 years.
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7/27/2016  8:38 PM
CrushAlot wrote:If he can stay healthy he might be a candidate to get traded at the deadline. Phil has gone out and gotten some guys coming off of injuries but Gallinari has been so injury prone. I think Phil is probably chasing bigger fish next offseason. Maybe Gallinari peaks interest if he can stay on the court. He has broken the 70 game mark twice in 10 years.

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7/27/2016  9:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2016  9:15 PM
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

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7/27/2016  9:44 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:I would love to have Gallo. But I would focus on the Greek freak first. The core 3 of my dreams would be Kp6, Giannis and Winslow.

another good option to be sure.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/27/2016  9:46 PM
dk7th wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I would love to have Gallo. But I would focus on the Greek freak first. The core 3 of my dreams would be Kp6, Giannis and Winslow.

another good option to be sure.

sure ... lets give him 20 million per to look pretty in a suit

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/27/2016  9:46 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/27/2016  9:51 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

There is literally no chance the Knicks will spend significant cap room on another SF with the injury history you cite.

And if he wasn't drafted by the knicks, this wouldn't even occur to anyone.

Non-starter.

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7/27/2016  10:02 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

There is literally no chance the Knicks will spend significant cap room on another SF with the injury history you cite.

And if he wasn't drafted by the knicks, this wouldn't even occur to anyone.

Non-starter.

so first it's "we need a point guard" and i say that being a triangle point guard is of secondary importance.
then second it's his sketchy injury history and cap room.

my response is we are spending 40 million on 3 injury-prone players this season alone, with melo thrown in there as well. his contract for his option year is peanuts as of the new cap.

is there another, third position you want to shift to given these facts?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/27/2016  10:05 PM
No to Gallo, as we can't have the whole roster in street clothes.

First of all, we're going to have a major hole at point guard after Rose's and Jennings 1 year lease is up.

Point guard should be priority A, B, Z, Infinity. Especially with Horny here, he needs a multitude of speedsters to execute his version of the triangle. Either through free agency or draft or both.

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7/27/2016  10:07 PM
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

you really pick your alliances and stick with them don't you?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/27/2016  10:11 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I would love to have Gallo. But I would focus on the Greek freak first. The core 3 of my dreams would be Kp6, Giannis and Winslow.

another good option to be sure.

sure ... lets give him 20 million per to look pretty in a suit

Hasn't Giannis played 77,81 and 80 games? Or are you talking about Gallo?

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7/27/2016  10:13 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

There is literally no chance the Knicks will spend significant cap room on another SF with the injury history you cite.

And if he wasn't drafted by the knicks, this wouldn't even occur to anyone.

Non-starter.

so first it's "we need a point guard" and i say that being a triangle point guard is of secondary importance.
then second it's his sketchy injury history and cap room.

my response is we are spending 40 million on 3 injury-prone players this season alone, with melo thrown in there as well. his contract for his option year is peanuts as of the new cap.

is there another, third position you want to shift to given these facts?

He is making 15 mil and has averaged playing 46 games a year over 10 years. The number of games per year average isn't a fluke or a bump in numbers either. He had one year where he was out for the entire season and he had 1 year when he hit the 81 game mark. I don't see anyway that he is anything close to a priority signing for Phil. Maybe if he wants to take a prove himself Jennings deal but then it seems like he goes to Houston to play for his Dad's buddy.
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7/27/2016  10:14 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I would love to have Gallo. But I would focus on the Greek freak first. The core 3 of my dreams would be Kp6, Giannis and Winslow.

another good option to be sure.

sure ... lets give him 20 million per to look pretty in a suit

Hasn't Giannis played 77,81 and 80 games? Or are you talking about Gallo?

gallo

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/27/2016  10:16 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

There is literally no chance the Knicks will spend significant cap room on another SF with the injury history you cite.

And if he wasn't drafted by the knicks, this wouldn't even occur to anyone.

Non-starter.

so first it's "we need a point guard" and i say that being a triangle point guard is of secondary importance.
then second it's his sketchy injury history and cap room.

my response is we are spending 40 million on 3 injury-prone players this season alone, with melo thrown in there as well. his contract for his option year is peanuts as of the new cap.

is there another, third position you want to shift to given these facts?

He is making 15 mil and has averaged playing 46 games a year over 10 years. The number of games per year average isn't a fluke or a bump in numbers either. He had one year where he was out for the entire season and he had 1 year when he hit the 81 game mark. I don't see anyway that he is anything close to a priority signing for Phil. Maybe if he wants to take a prove himself Jennings deal but then it seems like he goes to Houston to play for his Dad's buddy.

don't worry ... if we get him then nix will clearly explain how he will be super healthy this season and there is no way to predict health, "anyone can get injured!" yada yada yada ... and you will be right there cheering him on a defending the regime.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/27/2016  10:17 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:No to Gallo, as we can't have the whole roster in street clothes.

First of all, we're going to have a major hole at point guard after Rose's and Jennings 1 year lease is up.

Point guard should be priority A, B, Z, Infinity. Especially with Horny here, he needs a multitude of speedsters to execute his version of the triangle. Either through free agency or draft or both.

walt frazier has stated that "defense and teamwork are the hallmark of champions." he knows what it takes to win.

any successful team needs ball movers/playmakers and defenders. when such a player is available who best embodies these attributes, then, as a gm, you have to take advantage. sometimes upgrades present themselves at some particular positions and not others.

who might be available in the summer of 2017 to upgrade the point guard position?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/27/2016  10:19 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:bringing danilo gallinari back to madison square garden.

here's the west predictions:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17131591/2016-summer-forecast-west-standings

and here is the roster-- please pay attention to the age of the roster:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den

gallinari returning to the knicks in 2017-18. it makes total sense. he's in his prime and will remain so, and could be brought in to platoon-- and, yes, eventually replace grandpa melo.

by that time kp6 will have bulked up enough to be a tim duncan hybrid pf/center and both he and gallinari could run the **** out of the triangle.

obviously gallinari's deplorable injury history would have given pause, but the knicks, it seems, have a history of giving contracts to players with questionable injury history or injury questions.

however, if phil jackson wanted gallinari and gallinari was interested in returning to new york, how would you feel about that move?

noah, who is signed through 2019/2020, and could help teach these other two guys as passers and defenders
kp6, destined for somewhere between really good and solid and greatness, great defender
gallinari, a perfect triangle player, decent defender, underutilized playmaking ability, would be an ideal fit with these other two

draft pick summer of 2017 too

Is Gallinari playing point guard?

If so, I approve.

there will be triangle point guards available. guys who can make a decent entry pass, defend the position, hit a corner three. the three players i am citing represent an inside out and elbow-centric game.

There is literally no chance the Knicks will spend significant cap room on another SF with the injury history you cite.

And if he wasn't drafted by the knicks, this wouldn't even occur to anyone.

Non-starter.

so first it's "we need a point guard" and i say that being a triangle point guard is of secondary importance.
then second it's his sketchy injury history and cap room.

my response is we are spending 40 million on 3 injury-prone players this season alone, with melo thrown in there as well. his contract for his option year is peanuts as of the new cap.

is there another, third position you want to shift to given these facts?

He is making 15 mil and has averaged playing 46 games a year over 10 years. The number of games per year average isn't a fluke or a bump in numbers either. He had one year where he was out for the entire season and he had 1 year when he hit the 81 game mark. I don't see anyway that he is anything close to a priority signing for Phil. Maybe if he wants to take a prove himself Jennings deal but then it seems like he goes to Houston to play for his Dad's buddy.

don't worry ... if we get him then nix will clearly explain how he will be super healthy this season and there is no way to predict health, "anyone can get injured!" yada yada yada ... and you will be right there cheering him on a defending the regime.

Nix and I were very much at odds during the entire D'Antoni tenure. I wasn't a fan and saw the Gallo pick as nepotism and I hated that at least one gm, Rod Thorn?, guaranteed the Knicks were taking Gallo several days before the draft. There were reports that Gallo's back was bad before the draft.... Don't get me started with that era.
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7/27/2016  10:28 PM
Giannis is a two year project unless he demands a trade. If I was a F.O. member I would sign Thanasis and then promise his little brother I'd draft him if he doesn't work out for anyone after a year at Dayton. I'd go Chris Smith times 10 to get Giannis but that isn't going to happen. Giannis won't sign a 1 yr tender, he'll likely sign a max extension
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