Starting with the Head Coach. He's been almost completely absent for any consideration. Hornacek has shown he can get a team to improve and play above expectations. He was sabotaged by his Front Office IMO but before that he was fairly successful with an OK team. Here Phil is fully supporting Hornacek and at least he has the kind of players with whom he can do a lot of the things he believes in. Playing uptempo, early offense, spread offense, 3's, PnR and scoring at the basket.

BRIGGS wrote:So we arent going to get any respect--the Knicks simply have to prove it-- and if you take 1 step back--you have to agree that some negativity could be warranted until proven otherwise.

Could be wrong...but ANY team, injuries or no injuries, with the player turnover we had must "prove it."

I would say that this Knicks team just might have the widest potential win total that I can remember, but I think its a team that will have great potential to surprise, and it is hard not to be enthusiastic about this group.

The major players on the team are set at this point...now its time to wait and hope.

Really looking forward to training camp.

Sangfroid wrote:With upgrades at several positions, it seem improbable that the team only registers a 6 game improvement. Granted, some of the players have had injuries, but each of them look ready to face the new season, and to prove their worth! Everything points to a more cohesive team, with the ability to win a larger share of the games played. I'm excited by our new team members, and hope for the best.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Thanks for your opinion and comments. last year the Knicks beat the projections and had a chance to beat them by a lot if not for Melo stepping on that ref and Lance going down. Not to mention the coaching issues. The actual talent on the roster was capable of more wins if things went right. Now this year there's lots of reasons to anticipate that the Knicks will win more games than predicted again. Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY. There's more details that can be researched to come to a better conclusion than that.

Starting with the Head Coach. He's been almost completely absent for any consideration. Hornacek has shown he can get a team to improve and play above expectations. He was sabotaged by his Front Office IMO but before that he was fairly successful with an OK team. Here Phil is fully supporting Hornacek and at least he has the kind of players with whom he can do a lot of the things he believes in. Playing uptempo, early offense, spread offense, 3's, PnR and scoring at the basket.

--->Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY.

FG% top 6 players 2015-2016

1 Courtney Lee 44.5% games missed 2
2 Carmelo Anthony 43% games missed 10
3 Derrick Rose 42.7% games missed 16
4 Kristaps Porzinigis 42.1% games missed 10
5 Joakim Noah 38.3% games missed 53
6 Branden Jennings 36.8% games missed 38

Not only do we have the worst collective fg% and eFG in the ENTIRE NBA with our top 6 they collectively missed 129 games

We dont really have a proven NBA post scorer on the team from the C or pF position.

5 of our 15 will have never played 1 minute of nBA basketball

Our team 3 point shooting collectively is among the worst in the NBA.

So maybe you should go back and stop being lazy:)

What I'd be curious is the breakdown of Rose in his last 3rd of the season and if it improved over the season. same for jennings. Noah seemed to be out of sorts not just physically, but lost in Hoilbergs system.

Basketball is not like baseball were we can transpose last years stats going forward. Briggs does bring up some good points that could be concerns and it will be interesting to see if the variables I mentioned, or others will factor.

On the surface the fear that Phil Starphucked is always in the back of our minds.
If everything "goes right", this is a 53-55 win team. If not, .500 should be about right

BRIGGS wrote:So we arent going to get any respect--the Knicks simply have to prove it-- and if you take 1 step back--you have to agree that some negativity could be warranted until proven otherwise.

I think that's a fair and objective statement. Sure on PAPER, the squad looks good but their core players are either aging or have injury history.

Because this is the Knicks and there are a lot of haters out there, this injury angle is going to get played up to the max. And it is true that three of the main additions have had injury issues the past couple of years. But I don't think we're in a dramatically different position than a lot of teams we going to be battling against for a playoff spot.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Thanks for your opinion and comments. last year the Knicks beat the projections and had a chance to beat them by a lot if not for Melo stepping on that ref and Lance going down. Not to mention the coaching issues. The actual talent on the roster was capable of more wins if things went right. Now this year there's lots of reasons to anticipate that the Knicks will win more games than predicted again. Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY. There's more details that can be researched to come to a better conclusion than that.

Starting with the Head Coach. He's been almost completely absent for any consideration. Hornacek has shown he can get a team to improve and play above expectations. He was sabotaged by his Front Office IMO but before that he was fairly successful with an OK team. Here Phil is fully supporting Hornacek and at least he has the kind of players with whom he can do a lot of the things he believes in. Playing uptempo, early offense, spread offense, 3's, PnR and scoring at the basket.

--->Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY.

FG% top 6 players 2015-2016

1 Courtney Lee 44.5% games missed 2
2 Carmelo Anthony 43% games missed 10
3 Derrick Rose 42.7% games missed 16
4 Kristaps Porzinigis 42.1% games missed 10
5 Joakim Noah 38.3% games missed 53
6 Branden Jennings 36.8% games missed 38

Not only do we have the worst collective fg% and eFG in the ENTIRE NBA with our top 6 they collectively missed 129 games

We dont really have a proven NBA post scorer on the team from the C or pF position.

5 of our 15 will have never played 1 minute of nBA basketball

Our team 3 point shooting collectively is among the worst in the NBA.

So maybe you should go back and stop being lazy:)

Jennings and Noah obviously get the bulk of the missed games. 91 if them! Rose was right to take some games off even if not hurt after all he has been thru. If Jennings was super healthy reliable his salary would be much higher and he is not on roster.
Regarding field goal %, there is cause to be concern. Rose and Jennings did shake off rust and its a good reason. KP does take some off balance shots and has to work on that. Im not sure he instinctively understands his size yet. With a slow release due to his length it can be fixed with better selection.

What I'd be curious is the breakdown of Rose in his last 3rd of the season and if it improved over the season. same for jennings. Noah seemed to be out of sorts not just physically, but lost in Hoilbergs system.

Basketball is not like baseball were we can transpose last years stats going forward. Briggs does bring up some good points that could be concerns and it will be interesting to see if the variables I mentioned, or others will factor.

On the surface the fear that Phil Starphucked is always in the back of our minds.
If everything "goes right", this is a 53-55 win team. If not, .500 should be about right

So a good GM ignores the previous season stats? Briggs is not raising valid points?
I think he's right here. Most of the predictions from the media and statistical models are going to look low to people on this board.

I think we have a 43 win team or so. The two big things will be Derrick Rose and our bench

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Thanks for your opinion and comments. last year the Knicks beat the projections and had a chance to beat them by a lot if not for Melo stepping on that ref and Lance going down. Not to mention the coaching issues. The actual talent on the roster was capable of more wins if things went right. Now this year there's lots of reasons to anticipate that the Knicks will win more games than predicted again. Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY. There's more details that can be researched to come to a better conclusion than that.

Starting with the Head Coach. He's been almost completely absent for any consideration. Hornacek has shown he can get a team to improve and play above expectations. He was sabotaged by his Front Office IMO but before that he was fairly successful with an OK team. Here Phil is fully supporting Hornacek and at least he has the kind of players with whom he can do a lot of the things he believes in. Playing uptempo, early offense, spread offense, 3's, PnR and scoring at the basket.

--->Just saying that the Knicks "loaded up on players who were hurt and a bunch that have no history" is LAZY.

FG% top 6 players 2015-2016

1 Courtney Lee 44.5% games missed 2
2 Carmelo Anthony 43% games missed 10
3 Derrick Rose 42.7% games missed 16
4 Kristaps Porzinigis 42.1% games missed 10
5 Joakim Noah 38.3% games missed 53
6 Branden Jennings 36.8% games missed 38

Not only do we have the worst collective fg% and eFG in the ENTIRE NBA with our top 6 they collectively missed 129 games

We dont really have a proven NBA post scorer on the team from the C or pF position.

5 of our 15 will have never played 1 minute of nBA basketball

Our team 3 point shooting collectively is among the worst in the NBA.

So maybe you should go back and stop being lazy:)

Jennings and Noah obviously get the bulk of the missed games. 91 if them! Rose was right to take some games off even if not hurt after all he has been thru. If Jennings was super healthy reliable his salary would be much higher and he is not on roster.
Regarding field goal %, there is cause to be concern. Rose and Jennings did shake off rust and its a good reason. KP does take some off balance shots and has to work on that. Im not sure he instinctively understands his size yet. With a slow release due to his length it can be fixed with better selection.

What I'd be curious is the breakdown of Rose in his last 3rd of the season and if it improved over the season. same for jennings. Noah seemed to be out of sorts not just physically, but lost in Hoilbergs system.

Basketball is not like baseball were we can transpose last years stats going forward. Briggs does bring up some good points that could be concerns and it will be interesting to see if the variables I mentioned, or others will factor.

On the surface the fear that Phil Starphucked is always in the back of our minds.
If everything "goes right", this is a 53-55 win team. If not, .500 should be about right

So a good GM ignores the previous season stats? Briggs is not raising valid points?
I think he's right here. Most of the predictions from the media and statistical models are going to look low to people on this board.

The very words after you highlighted were:

Briggs does bring up some good points that could be concerns and it will be interesting to see if the variables I mentioned, or others will factor.

Your a college professor, you tell me?

Then I further looked at a break down to inquire if anyone considered, as I have read, that he really improved on the back end of the season. So the numbers when broken down might tell a more complete story.
A good GM should consider the previous season, but at the same time the variables. Lets be real, if Rose had a 1st team type year he would not be a knick. A good GM has to ascertain if there is value and at what risk. Did I say a Good GM does not ignore stats? No, basically said a good one considers the variables as to what happened.

IF you just look at models and transpose them to a 38 win season, then why did Phil do this? I mean why bother right?
Answer: There are variables to how numbers are derived. Jennings missed a lot of games. Phil did not say "you SHOULD be 6th man of the year", he challenged him to it.
And, he is not being paid starters money either. He is getting Derrick Williams "Resurrection" money. A chance to play up to the bigger money.

38 wins. I said 41 if everything does not go right. That's just a 3 game variable. How far is that? 3.72% game differential.

So besides being quick to jump on my post, what excactly is your point? That your a hard stat kind of guy and variables don't play?
Appreciate the chance to respond. If your bored with no school to teach, why not go reorganize your sock draw AGAIN as the brown and black socks are touching each other, and you know how you hate that!!