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earthmansurfer
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7/22/2016 7:36 AM
I posted this on the other forum but want it here as well as we seem to be in a very interesting time...
I'm curious what you guys think about Melo speaking out against the violence and recently against the WNBA for their fines (http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/22780/fridays-knicks-links-carmelo-anthony-blasts-wnba-for-fining-players) Personally, I think it can be the saviour of the country, but I have a feeling they will edit video or use software to remove what they don't like. There are many examples of this going back years. Things like adding in crowd noise to take out "bad" chants and such. Corporations are mighty powerful these days, as are intelligence agencies, but I think we can overwhelm their centrally controlled media outlets none the less. The more players start getting active, the more corporations and intelligence agencies are going to try to censor it and manipulate it. This is a little bit like the 1960's in some ways, with the protests and anti war music, but athletes getting active are being broadcast to everyone and I think that really really has the governments eyes. And if it doesn't, they wouldn't be doing "their job". Should they start editing video and such, then players will have to gather and find a way around this. Only so much video editing can do. Pre-recorded live games anyone? lol Freedom of Expression is coming your way Corporate America and alphabet agencies, The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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Knickoftime
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7/22/2016 10:21 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:I posted this on the other forum but want it here as well as we seem to be in a very interesting time... I think you're giving corporate america and the "alphabet agencies" waaaaay too much credit to assume them capable of controlling the internet/social media, which is the check and balance to the media dystopia you seem to think exists on some level. The great irony of this sort of view is the people who value freedom seem to invent ways to convince themselves they don't have it, which is an ironic and unfortunate self-imposed limitation. |
earthmansurfer
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7/22/2016 10:53 AM
Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:I posted this on the other forum but want it here as well as we seem to be in a very interesting time... I'm not sure what your message is. Do you feel we have absolute freedom? Do you feel the media, as it is, gives us that? What is the military budget, CIA, NSA, FBI? Do you think that a fair amount of it doesn't go into social media and media control/monitoring and such? We need to be realists here and not expect anything to be handed to us. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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Knickoftime
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7/22/2016 11:09 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:I posted this on the other forum but want it here as well as we seem to be in a very interesting time... My point is a simple and straightforward one. Social media give us the ability to broadcast pretty much whatever the hell we want. The implications come after the fact, not before. And since the subject is athletes and celebrities, yes, I believe whatever social message they want to give will be delivered. People with social consciousness and large social media platforms as far as I'm aware have not lodged complaints their messages on any venue are being blocked or edited. The banana boat guys seem to have broadcasted exactly what they wanted to in full context on the ESPYs. I said social media is a check and balance to freedom OF EXPRESSION, specifically, which is what I understood your post to be about. Apologies if I misunderstood. If our freedom of expression is actually actively being limited or edited to any degree by intelligence/corporate community, EVERYONE seems in on it and accepting of it, because no one is complaining about it as far as I know. No one is lodging complaints they something they said was blocked or edited. I don't understand the accusational rationale "but I have a feeling they will edit video or use software to remove what they don't like." Again, if this occurs, a high-profile figure can go to social media and identify that it has occurred. So unless you believe THAT is being blocked as well, and your athletes and actors and social activists are all living public lives but making no attempt to alert us to it, the charge seems logically groundless. |
earthmansurfer
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7/23/2016 4:26 AM LAST EDITED: 7/23/2016 6:37 AM
Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:I posted this on the other forum but want it here as well as we seem to be in a very interesting time... I don't think you misunderstood me, perhaps you are taking my statement as an absolute. There is no way I see "them" stopping "us". I'm just saying resistance is a coming. e.g. Facebook was removing posts related to the recent shootings. When I think of checks and balances I think of the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government. And how has that worked out for us regarding things With things like Wiki-Leaks, Bitcoin, decentralized platforms/tech e.g. Steemit, etc. I have more than hope - I see "them" losing control. I guess we can throw a lot of social media in the mix as a help anyway. I do think we are going in the right direction. I see no (open) dystopia coming, though transparency for us and privacy for NSA/CIA/Military/etc. needs to be changed - Guess that is just a part of the process. Anyway, I do think we will overwhelm the system. I'm just saying I see resistance increasing (in the forms of control of social media), but that 100th monkey, so to speak is fast approaching. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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earthmansurfer
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7/24/2016 4:52 AM
Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:I don't think you misunderstood me, perhaps you are taking my statement as an absolute. There is no way I see "them" stopping "us". I'm just saying resistance is a coming. e.g. Facebook was removing posts related to the recent shootings. I remember while studying Justice in college, this FBI statistic came up, forget it exactly now, but something along the lines of 30% or more of all crimes are conspired. I guess that was at the Federal level. But the word conspiracy theory now = no further discussion. But it is ok to talk about Saudia Arabia conspiring with Al Quida to fund 911, but not to actually investigate 911, lol. If you are curious as to how a group could lead or direct, control might be too strong of a word, I'd look into Carroll Quigley's writings, most notably Tragedy and Hope. It is just too big a read though. He was a historian/scholar and was privy to a group of these powerful elites, they were his friends. (No, not illuminati). He wrote about them at their request and spent a lot of time around them as they were friends. And he didn't object to their goal, just the means (anything to arrive at the goal). You might recognize his name as Bill Clinton mentioned him in one of his speeches, as he was Bills Mentor. That before mentioned book is just plain 95% history. But the other 5%, setting up non profit groups and getting "the network" laid out, is all quite plainly written. Nothing crazy, just some rich and powerful folk who have a vision for the masses and don't want mob by rule (my words). Regardless of whether or not we believe in society being directed by a group of people, I think it is pretty clear that there have been special interests at play. No doubt, I'm talking about just a few trees. But they are giants and in key parts of the forest. I think they are coming down though. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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Knickoftime
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7/24/2016 10:37 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Knickoftime wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:I don't think you misunderstood me, perhaps you are taking my statement as an absolute. There is no way I see "them" stopping "us". I'm just saying resistance is a coming. e.g. Facebook was removing posts related to the recent shootings. Let's circle back to your first post. You argued Melo's new found social activism, that this sort of grassroots movement by influential figures could be a societal "savior" of sorts, but you also worry some powerful interests can edit video or remove things from the internet to suppress or alter messages to suit them. "Personally, I think it can be the saviour of the country, but I have a feeling they will edit video or use software to remove what they don't like. There are many examples of this going back years. Things like adding in crowd noise to take out "bad" chants and such." Staying micro to illustrate the problem with this is Melo has nearly 9m followers on Twitter alone. During the months of October-May, 4 times a week he has cameras from multiple outlets put in his face for 10 minutes. There are hundreds of daily LIVE radio broadcasts he could call into and get air time in real time whenever he wanted. I just don't see a scenario in which ANY efforts are made to suppress or alter what he has to say where he isn't aware of it and doesn't blow the whistle on it. It just doesn't pass the logic test. |