Everyone should stop getting their panties in a bunch. It's amazing the kind of backlash that any writer gets for criticizing the Knicks in any way. Like I said, if someone praises the Knicks they're right and if they criticize the Knicks then they're wrong. It's amazing how that works.

And no, my name isn't Frank Hughes.

[Edited by - islesfan on 08/05/2004 20:44:13]

Posted by islesfan:

Everyone should stop getting their panties in a bunch. It's amazing the kind of backlash that any writer gets for criticizing the Knicks in any way. Like I said, if someone praises the Knicks they're right and if they criticize the Knicks then they're wrong. It's amazing how that works.

And no, my name isn't Frank Hughes.

[Edited by - islesfan on 08/05/2004 20:44:13]

Isles, people are not criticizing him simply for being negative; they're criticizing very specific claims made in the article. Criticizing someone for taking a negative tone is foolish; criticizing specific arguments someone makes is legitimate

Posted by islesfan:

Isles, people are not criticizing him simply for being negative; they're criticizing very specific claims made in the article. Criticizing someone for taking a negative tone is foolish; criticizing specific arguments someone makes is legitimate

You mean comments like:

"Hater, that's all he is."
or
"Frank should stay off the crack. Bong me."

You're not calling Martin, foolish are you???

Don't know about everyone else but I am definitely calling Frank a fool.

Good post fellas, smooth and fishmike especially, this writer is a jackass, but I would like to ask, How much flexibility did the knicks have before IT took over? Now the knicks have 30 mil plus in expiring deals and a group of young talented players, TT, Nazr, steph, crawford, ariza and sweetney are all 27 years old and younger, they are young, talented and athletic.... GO KNICKS!!

We must be living on a different planet, even maybe on a different dimension.

We have a more talented roster, i mean so much more talented you can't even think about it.

We've traded untradable guys, we still have expiring contracts soon to come.

I don't understand how we couldn't win.

Indiana, phoenix... are praised for rebuilding on the fly. We're doing the same thing in less than a yr and those guys are calling out IT.

Guess what, they'll need a freacking ton of vaseline when they'll have to give him the executive of the year award.

I can't wait to see that.

The problem with the article is that it is not balanced, which is a common problem of those editorialists who work for sports news agencies (although not all). It's pure exercize in contrarianship to the "popular" consensus which results in only criticism.

Some of the points possess some validity, but he never balances out these out with other persepectives. Worse yet, his apparent strong desire to contrast Chad Ford's article seems to cloud simple logic and effecting his language.

So for example, his assertion that all of this is without a doubt true, but this is a common problem with the "If I yell my point louder than you it makes it more true" types who dominate sports journalism. It would be nice to see an attempt at being somewhat objective. NOTHING IS EVER SO CLEAR CUT. It could work out, it may not, but you'll never hear any of these writers contain this kind of thinking.

A good example of logic-clouding in Hughes's article is his point that Marbury is not young. When people refer to "young" as a positive in the NBA, I do not believe experience in the league is as much of the point as the ACTUAL AGE of the players. Marbury is not one of the youngest players, but he certainly isn't an elder of the NBA, he's 27 years old.

Another point is his reference to the Olympic team and its struggles, of which Marbury is one of the "key players." Hmm, does that make Tim Duncan a problem as well? Or any of the other players, all of whom are not on the Knicks roster? Another ESPN commentator was on ESPN News yesterday explaining that a reason team USA is struggling is the DIFFERENT STYLE OF INTERNATIONAL BASKETBALL COMPARED TO NBA BALL. There is some evidene to suggest this being true. But we should be fair. The lack of teamwork may say something about the current state of the NBA, but if you're gonna attack Marbury then you have to attack almost every player who is on team USA, which includes some writers' favorite players, like Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James and Duan Wade.

I'm not going to disect every flawed point, some of which others here have already mentioned, and I will say that some of his points may become true. I don't know, but I don't think he knows either.

Posted by Nalod:

It all gets settled in the Win and loss colunm.

I think the tone of the artcicle is not all that unfair. Isiah is praised as the savior, but what he is really doing is buying his way out as had previous knick GMs also tried.

We are taking in more than we let out. IF this team does not gel then we are so royally screwed. One can dump expiring deals, but it means taking a player a team does not feel like he is performing consistant with his contract.

And that is what alot of our players look like. THEY are better than the previously overpaid players, but we have a payroll DOUBLE than most teams.

TT makes 13millon dollars! That is freakin unbelieveable.

Chad's article was fair, but Hughes was also ok by me. I know fans don't want to hear this stuff and we get all excited by improvements.

Again, it all gets sorted out during the season. IF the team struggles you will hear a ton of bashing going Isiahs way. Given the track record of these players, its not a given the team will excel. With the hype and money thrown around, expectations should be high. Its not like a bunch of green rooks learning the game, this is the highest payroll.

Likewise, if the team makes it to the conf. finals Isiah will be hailed as taking these disapointed players and giving them a chance.

Don't get me wrong, I like this trade. It opens 2 roster spots, and I like what Crawford might be able to do down the road. He does not have to play for contract and will be surrounded by better players and coachs that demand respect.

THis team has not proven anything yet, thus I am not so sensitive to others being critical about many of the deals made.

The team is certainly more interesting, and has upside potential (hope for fans), but regardless of how much we get buzzed in the off season, it will all be settled on the court. Simple game, score more points than your opponent!

[Edited by - nalod on 08/06/2004 09:45:18]

That's a very fair post. I'm glad to see some people can take off the orange and blue colored glasses and be objective about what some people in the media have to say about the Knicks.

It seems when ever emotion fills the air, extremes on one direction or the other persist. Fans take the bait of the media to get all worked up. You can read it in many posts when ever speaks down on the team with a view they don't agree with, or choose not to consider.

Such is the buisness of sports and the media. Create controversy where none exists.

On one side we got fans excited about potential expiring deals. They think its like getting cap space. It only works when you take back more than you give. ANd that player is no longer wanted. Seems like Isiah got the product intersting again, and needs to get things real.

It will all be settled in time on the basketball court!

Here is the best take on this retarded article. It's a great read.

http://www.knickerblogger.net/

Posted by simrud:

Here is the best take on this retarded article. It's a great read.

http://www.knickerblogger.net/

excellent article, completely picks them apart..