wallstbear wrote:Haha, easy part of the schedule. This is getting hilarious. 38 points is 38 points. These are NBA teams.
I think people are running around too many topics here.
OK, does MDA suck? That's not the question.
Does a coach have authority decide which players to build the offense around in today's environment? That's not the question.
Does the casual fan and forum poster (albeit the ULTIMATE-knicks site) have the authority to decide then? That's not the question either.
Should the Knicks have gone with Lin or Melo or Amare, since people did not seem to agree on their roles? Not the question.
Was Melo having personal problem w/ Lin? Or BASKETBALL problem? Not important.
Is Lin a good player? Not important either.
Question is what happened during that offseason.
Was Lin's "GREED" the reason he did not stay? NO. He took the ONLY offer he got. Everyone would have done the same.
Did Lin go to Houston to SOLICIT a poison pill just to F*** NYK? No. He really wanted to stay in NY. It was Morey's idea, and Morey used it on multiple players.
I think if everybody could just set the record straight, i.e., Dolan decided to let Lin leave, I think we can all agree to end this thread.
PS: erasing Linsanity from garden history is a narrow-minded cowardly act. Linsanity (the phenomenon) is already in the history books of the sports world.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Some players are more team first and they understand hierarchy as being the best way. You can disagree and still comply. It's actually a great manifestation of Noah's tremendous character. Do you understand?
What are you talking about? Why would any coach have the right to put two really good players out of positions for a scrub??? Was Harden moved to the 4 and Howard to the bench so that the scrub could have the ball more?? When Lin had the chance and the league git to know his game, he was totally exposed and got benched behind two mediocre point guards. Your fantasy for him is pushing to all these non existent conclusions. Time to move on bro. Just take the poster down. Or become a Net fan. I'll buy you the Lin jersey.
because those good players were playing like boneheads and it did not have to be lin but any pg to take the ball out of those guys hands and set them up for much smarter shot attempts.
You hit me as the old guy at the Y who thinks he sets really good picks, boxes everyone out with a bit too much enthusiasm and thinks he is the best player on the floor because of it? Please tell me what a smart shot is? And remember it's 2016 not 1960. Grant it Melo may force a shot from time to time but what scorer in the league doesn't? Think you would be the guy in the stands booing the Warriors for all their so called bad shots. But let's stay on Lin. You claim to be a fan of fundamental basketball. Watch Lin play and tell me how many times the fundamental PG keeps his head down on drives with no awareness for open cutters. And explain why the guy that should have been put ahead of two All Stars went on to become a back up behind two mediocre point guards in Houston?
I do love setting damn good picks as well as fundamental basketball ... I see you as a guy who will just chuck it from anywhere thinking that all his shots are as good as any ones and your teammates probably hate playing with you, warm?
Not at all. Led my teams in assists most years actually. Think it's more the fact I respect the incredible level of natural talent needed to be one of the best all time scorers in the NBA. Your maybe a guy that clings to guys that play like you or how you think "Fundamental" basketball should be played. Refusing to give credit to guys that do things you maybe never could. But back to basketball.. a "Smart" shot? You did not elaborate. So Irving, Curry, LBJ, Thompson, Durant all take only smart shots? Curry takes 30 footers. Would you bring in Lin or any other smart PG to take ball out of his hands?
I am not sure what you want here ... what is your issue with my take? Don't even know what this is about and what post here you initially had a problem with.
Friendly banter on how we view prolific aggressive NBA scorers. But mostly my disagreement on how two parenial AllStars should have taken a back seat to a two week wonder? Dont know any organization that would have made such a ridiculous move. And the 54 win season that followed, proves that to be so.
what lin would be AT THAT TIME was an unknown, save for his brilliant play while the two prennial all-stars were out, both who led the knicks to a record 8 games below .500
20-20 hindsight is not an argument.
That seven game stretch was the easiest on the Knicks schedule and was against most of the teams in the lottery that year. I think the Lakers were the only team that went to the playoffs but I could be wrong. The Knicks come out better than .500 for that stretch without Lin and probably go 5-2. It was exciting but there is also the quality of the opponent at the time.
although it's a given that dolan's filthy paws have been all over this franchise until very recently, sadly there are many posters whose lack of life skills refuse to recognize that the fish always rots from the head down.
to review: he hired thomas and stuck with him. he was forced to hire walsh by stern, who in turn hired d'antoni. he the went over walsh and d'antoni's heads to bring in melo, in the process trading away valuable assets for a "name" while also making melo more powerful than either the gm or the coach. fast forward to linsanity and you have dysfunction, a coach's resignation, a gm's "retirement," and a phenom not being given a contract.
do you see the connections here, wallstbear? please say yes.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%