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NardDogNation
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7/11/2016  12:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2016  1:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

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7/11/2016  1:43 PM
Not everybody hate police officers:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/us/texas-inmates-escape-save-officer-trnd/index.html
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7/11/2016  1:50 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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7/11/2016  2:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2016  2:06 PM
Another good solution proposed:
The events will not discourage the department, Mr Brown said, which has seen 12 consecutive years of crime reduction in Dallas.
"We're going to turn over every rock" to make sure Johnson was the only person planning the attack, he said, and that the department is following "any and all leads".
Mr Brown suggested angry young black people in the US join their local police departments and try to become "part of the solution".
"We're hiring," he said. "Get off the protest line and put in an application."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36768096

Interesting facts about gunman military experience too...

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7/11/2016  2:38 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

it may see that way, but is it reality? I don't want to emulate France in any way aside from their work culture. That country has huge problems. You cant really cherry pick the good from each country and ask why we cant do that.

Gun are protected by the constitution and until you can elect politicians that don't cater to that lobby you are stuck with status quo.

Israel faces geophraphic threats that US does not. If Canadians and Mexicans wanted to kill us with the same fervor as the Israeli neighbors I am sure an "everyone serving" type policy would work.

As for the bold you aren't talking about the economy, you are talking about taking from the rich to feed the poor. US was founded on small gov and the rights of the individual. Those rights are protected by "due process." It takes an awful lot to change those laws. Laws that are created by elected officials. See how that works? What does it take to get elected? What runs all those campaigns large or small? Money. Things like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are social programs. Not much different than welfare or education... Stuff we are taxed for. How to spend the taxes? That's the thing elected officials run on. Politicians promised to put those programs into place. For laws to be passed that heavily tax the rich... well they need to get passed. So you will need enough votes in congress to get those laws passed. First you have to get someone to propose them in the first place, THEN you have to get them passed. The rich folks that fund these politicians (yes, even democrats) are not super excited to support lawmakers who are focused on hurting their wealth and position in this country.

Laws are written to protect the rights of the individuals. Wealthy have rights to due process also. Easier for them sure. Fair? No. Of course not. Money always trumps all. It always does. That is the one thing that is blind to race... cash. Obama was president. OJ was found not guilty. Kobe's Colorado rape trial magically went away. REAL power is in money, whether you own it or you posses the ability to gather it, that is what is running the ship.

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7/11/2016  2:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2016  3:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

it may see that way, but is it reality? I don't want to emulate France in any way aside from their work culture. That country has huge problems. You cant really cherry pick the good from each country and ask why we cant do that.

Gun are protected by the constitution and until you can elect politicians that don't cater to that lobby you are stuck with status quo.

Israel faces geophraphic threats that US does not. If Canadians and Mexicans wanted to kill us with the same fervor as the Israeli neighbors I am sure an "everyone serving" type policy would work.

As for the bold you aren't talking about the economy, you are talking about taking from the rich to feed the poor. US was founded on small gov and the rights of the individual. Those rights are protected by "due process." It takes an awful lot to change those laws. Laws that are created by elected officials. See how that works? What does it take to get elected? What runs all those campaigns large or small? Money. Things like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are social programs. Not much different than welfare or education... Stuff we are taxed for. How to spend the taxes? That's the thing elected officials run on. Politicians promised to put those programs into place. For laws to be passed that heavily tax the rich... well they need to get passed. So you will need enough votes in congress to get those laws passed. First you have to get someone to propose them in the first place, THEN you have to get them passed. The rich folks that fund these politicians (yes, even democrats) are not super excited to support lawmakers who are focused on hurting their wealth and position in this country.

Laws are written to protect the rights of the individuals. Wealthy have rights to due process also. Easier for them sure. Fair? No. Of course not. Money always trumps all. It always does. That is the one thing that is blind to race... cash. Obama was president. OJ was found not guilty. Kobe's Colorado rape trial magically went away. REAL power is in money, whether you own it or you posses the ability to gather it, that is what is running the ship.

Money is universal measure of human success. Individually and collectively. No other one was found in the history of man.
To have stable power we in US use Republic as a political system. It is not democracy.
It has elements of democracy but it is in fact the power of elites.
To increase the wealth of society and by proxy every person, the power should be in hands of people who have a lot to lose.
When power was given to people who have nothing to lose except of their chains (read Marks and Lenin for more details) the society was destroyed and reduced to a bunch or rival gangs fighting with each other for scattered peaces of remaining wealth.
For wealth to work in favor of people it must be concentrated as uranium in nuclear reactor. When reaching critical mass it produced a lot more wealth which can be invested again. Who owned it is irrelevant for the progress of civilization.
Live is not fair and not simple. But it makes perfect sense in dollars and cents.

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7/11/2016  3:20 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

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7/11/2016  3:36 PM
meloanyk wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

yea.. pumping money isn't the answer. http://www.newsweek.com/did-zuckerberg-waste-100-million-newarks-schools-390855
$100mm and what did the spend most of the money on? Consultants who would decide what to spend the money on. Pretty scary stuff
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7/11/2016  3:39 PM
meloanyk wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

This... Very well said.

I am 20 years in US and came with 5K $ in my pocket with my wife and son.
Now we are upper middle class family and used no help from government except of 6 moths initial support for housing, food, and language education. We are just working class and already paid more that million dollars in taxes collectively to contribute for the country and help others who came after us.
The solution is simple - to get help don't vine, start helping yourself and others and help will come back to you.
I understand what police officers are facing every day and try to make their job easier when have to interact with them.
Absolute majority of them are good caring people but stressed and tired from their life experiences. This must be understood.
There are a lot of people in US who need help but this help should be given in a way it will not corrupt.
People in need should be helped to help them-self and even start helping others.
This is not easy but worth trying.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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A gunman has killed two police officers and wounded another outside a courthouse in the US state of Michigan.

This is getting worth...

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7/11/2016  5:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
misterearl wrote:FACTORIAL

The disparities appear to be even starker for unarmed suspects, according to an analysis of 2015 police killings by the Guardian. Racial minorities made up about 37.4 percent of the general population in the US and 46.6 percent of armed and unarmed victims, but they made up 62.7 percent of unarmed people killed by police.

More than half of murders, rapes, robberies, aggravated assaults, burglaries, and fraud in US are committed by black Americans.
African Americans represent 13% of population.

http://civilrightsmovement.net/us-crime-statistics-by-race/
I know that there are unfortunate historical reasons for this.
But it clearly explains why law enforcement is getting into conflict and killing black people more that anybody else.

I had to come out of retirement for this one...Maybe you and CashMoney, who claims he works in the Criminal Justice system but goes to a Financial website to get stats on Crime, need a few pointers on where to find stats to support your arguments...

According to the FBI, the people who are responsible for gathering these stats, as of 2014:

1. Whites in America commits 69.4% of all crime versus 27.8% by blacks
2. Whites in America commits 59.4% of all violent crimes versus 37.7% by blacks..Cash Money had non-whites including blacks committing 90% of all violent crimes...

According to a study by the Washington Post, Unarmed blacks are 7 times as likely to killed by police than unarmed whites...SEVEN TIMES!!!!

In 2015, The Post documented 990 fatal shootings by police, 93 of which involved people who were unarmed. Black men accounted for about 40 percent of the unarmed people fatally shot by police and, when adjusted by population, were seven times as likely as unarmed white men to die from police gunfire, The Post found.


https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/study-finds-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-men-at-disproportionate-rates/2016/04/06/e494563e-fa74-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

What does a financial website have to do with anything? Reporting is reporting. I do indeed work in the Criminal Justice system. I can give you my shield number and command if you like, just send me a message.

I'll appease you so here you go..... http://newobserveronline.com/90-nonwhite-violent-crime-rate-fbi/

The bottom line is that we can all go back and forth on crime stats and BS from here to the end of time but things won't change until we can all look at each other and simply refer to each other as people!

Whenever you watch the news it's never "Police killed a man today" it's "Police killed a black man today."

So called movements like "Black Lives Matter" do nothing than add fuel to the fire. "Black Lives Matter" only when the person doing the killing is a white police officer and the person being killed is black. The fact is 90% of black people are killed by other black people! Where in the hell is Black Lives Matter on this issue? Why not start an organization called White Lives Matter and concentrate on black people who kill white people? That would be considered racist wouldn't it? Would this do nothing more than create a larger gap in the racial divide? Ignoring the fact that over 80% of whites are killed other whites would be a moot point wouldn't it? It would be simply labeled a racist movement by white people wouldn't it?

None of this crap stops until we as people stand up and say enough is enough. Not black people, Hispanic people, white people, etc. Just we as people, regardless of race, religion or creed.

I highly doubt that I will see this day nor do I feel my child will see this day but I do believe this day will come. I judge people based on who they are as people not by the color of their skin. I teach my child to do the same. I hope that there are others out there like me who call BS, BS who will teach their children the same until the day comes when a spade is able to be called a spade. Only when people who are held in high regard in their communities preach this nothing will change and it will continue to be "us" vs "them."

As the late and great MLK once said......

"When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

LET'S GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!



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7/11/2016  5:30 PM
meloanyk wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

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7/11/2016  5:32 PM
arkrud wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

This are cool points but you will need to first amend US constitution for p1 and p2. Good luck with that.
Agree on drugs and I will legalize all of them not only pot.
If you will unreasonably tax wealthiest they will move their money outside the country or invest all of it before tax and you will get close to nothing.
If you hire police based on race % of population you are creating the new segregation environment.
What do you prefer - clean professional policeman or policemen of you own race regardless of his skills and corruption scale?
Should it be also proportional by gender, sexual orientation, religion, and political affiliation?
Why we need draft if we have enough professional solders? Better to use more robots.
Not all people need to go to army to set their brains right to became good citizens.
As per teaches we do not have enough to put in the classrooms as it is not talking about assistants.
Making classes size less will solve same purpose.
But in general it is about quality not quantity.
So ideas are cool but very naive.

Couple of thing I would propose:
1. Make permit for semiautomatic weapons very expensive - around 20K per unit. It is not useful item for civilians, just a collectible for enthusiasts. Criminals will get them if they want regardless of any laws and regulations.
2. Make changes to add mental health check and background check mandatory for every gun permit. And doctors and clerks who do the check have to be liable if person who get the gun happens to be mentally sick, on terror suspect list, of with criminal or violence history.
3. Increase minimal police compensation to 25% over national income average.
4. Introduce more non-lethal means for police enforcement - gas, dogs, robots, tranquilizes, stun-guns, etc. Discourage used of guns by police or even remove from operation except of special police units.
5. Stop corrupted practice of collecting money by local municipalities from driving violations.
6. Increase minimum mandatory compensation for teaches with special bonuses for working in pure and dangerous neighborhoods.
7. Do the above but reducing the salaries for education boards bureaucrats and reduce their stuff.

one man's idealism is another's naivete. i don't consider myself naive but as the saying goes you have to shoot for the stars in order to hit the rooftops. semi-automatic weapons have no place in the citizenry. i'd rather they be banned but i like your idea of making their cost prohibitively expensive. cash deals would come under scrutiny and credit cards would be traceable. also chris rock had a routine where the ammo becomes prohibitively expensive as well. have fun with your rapidfire dick machines but basically be vasectomied.

i don't agree with your police force representative of local populaces creating more segregation-- police officers are supposed to be peacekeepers, and that would be the case regardless of the color of the skin of those the police would be interacting with. if you want to stop white flight and segregation then you have to start looking outside law enforcement to the source of the problem: the lack of proper pre-k through grammar school money in disadvantaged black communities. even though i hate his guts, at least de blasio's platfom had this as its central idea. in other words it is not merely a "race issue" it is a "class issue."

the mandatory army aspect is not merely about training men and women to work as a team for a cause, it is meant to instill love of country and devotion to the communities from which they have come, once their term of national and civic duty is completed. if people already possess the virtues required for being good citizens then that's fine. but the army is the most straightforward way of creating good citizens, and i will stress that it would not mean an offensive army.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/11/2016  5:36 PM
dk7th wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

This are cool points but you will need to first amend US constitution for p1 and p2. Good luck with that.
Agree on drugs and I will legalize all of them not only pot.
If you will unreasonably tax wealthiest they will move their money outside the country or invest all of it before tax and you will get close to nothing.
If you hire police based on race % of population you are creating the new segregation environment.
What do you prefer - clean professional policeman or policemen of you own race regardless of his skills and corruption scale?
Should it be also proportional by gender, sexual orientation, religion, and political affiliation?
Why we need draft if we have enough professional solders? Better to use more robots.
Not all people need to go to army to set their brains right to became good citizens.
As per teaches we do not have enough to put in the classrooms as it is not talking about assistants.
Making classes size less will solve same purpose.
But in general it is about quality not quantity.
So ideas are cool but very naive.

Couple of thing I would propose:
1. Make permit for semiautomatic weapons very expensive - around 20K per unit. It is not useful item for civilians, just a collectible for enthusiasts. Criminals will get them if they want regardless of any laws and regulations.
2. Make changes to add mental health check and background check mandatory for every gun permit. And doctors and clerks who do the check have to be liable if person who get the gun happens to be mentally sick, on terror suspect list, of with criminal or violence history.
3. Increase minimal police compensation to 25% over national income average.
4. Introduce more non-lethal means for police enforcement - gas, dogs, robots, tranquilizes, stun-guns, etc. Discourage used of guns by police or even remove from operation except of special police units.
5. Stop corrupted practice of collecting money by local municipalities from driving violations.
6. Increase minimum mandatory compensation for teaches with special bonuses for working in pure and dangerous neighborhoods.
7. Do the above but reducing the salaries for education boards bureaucrats and reduce their stuff.

one man's idealism is another's naivete. i don't consider myself naive but as the saying goes you have to shoot for the stars in order to hit the rooftops. semi-automatic weapons have no place in the citizenry. i'd rather they be banned but i like your idea of making their cost prohibitively expensive. cash deals would come under scrutiny and credit cards would be traceable. also chris rock had a routine where the ammo becomes prohibitively expensive as well. have fun with your rapidfire dick machines but basically be vasectomied.

i don't agree with your police force representative of local populaces creating more segregation-- police officers are supposed to be peacekeepers, and that would be the case regardless of the color of the skin of those the police would be interacting with. if you want to stop white flight and segregation then you have to start looking outside law enforcement to the source of the problem: the lack of proper pre-k through grammar school money in disadvantaged black communities. even though i hate his guts, at least de blasio's platfom had this as its central idea. in other words it is not merely a "race issue" it is a "class issue."

the mandatory army aspect is not merely about training men and women to work as a team for a cause, it is meant to instill love of country and devotion to the communities from which they have come, once their term of national and civic duty is completed. if people already possess the virtues required for being good citizens then that's fine. but the army is the most straightforward way of creating good citizens, and i will stress that it would not mean an offensive army.

You either love your country or don't so I don't agree with mandatory military service. Besides wasn't the jackass who orchestrated the Dallas shooting in the Army reserves?

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7/11/2016  5:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2016  6:40 PM
CashMoney wrote:
dk7th wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

This are cool points but you will need to first amend US constitution for p1 and p2. Good luck with that.
Agree on drugs and I will legalize all of them not only pot.
If you will unreasonably tax wealthiest they will move their money outside the country or invest all of it before tax and you will get close to nothing.
If you hire police based on race % of population you are creating the new segregation environment.
What do you prefer - clean professional policeman or policemen of you own race regardless of his skills and corruption scale?
Should it be also proportional by gender, sexual orientation, religion, and political affiliation?
Why we need draft if we have enough professional solders? Better to use more robots.
Not all people need to go to army to set their brains right to became good citizens.
As per teaches we do not have enough to put in the classrooms as it is not talking about assistants.
Making classes size less will solve same purpose.
But in general it is about quality not quantity.
So ideas are cool but very naive.

Couple of thing I would propose:
1. Make permit for semiautomatic weapons very expensive - around 20K per unit. It is not useful item for civilians, just a collectible for enthusiasts. Criminals will get them if they want regardless of any laws and regulations.
2. Make changes to add mental health check and background check mandatory for every gun permit. And doctors and clerks who do the check have to be liable if person who get the gun happens to be mentally sick, on terror suspect list, of with criminal or violence history.
3. Increase minimal police compensation to 25% over national income average.
4. Introduce more non-lethal means for police enforcement - gas, dogs, robots, tranquilizes, stun-guns, etc. Discourage used of guns by police or even remove from operation except of special police units.
5. Stop corrupted practice of collecting money by local municipalities from driving violations.
6. Increase minimum mandatory compensation for teaches with special bonuses for working in pure and dangerous neighborhoods.
7. Do the above but reducing the salaries for education boards bureaucrats and reduce their stuff.

one man's idealism is another's naivete. i don't consider myself naive but as the saying goes you have to shoot for the stars in order to hit the rooftops. semi-automatic weapons have no place in the citizenry. i'd rather they be banned but i like your idea of making their cost prohibitively expensive. cash deals would come under scrutiny and credit cards would be traceable. also chris rock had a routine where the ammo becomes prohibitively expensive as well. have fun with your rapidfire dick machines but basically be vasectomied.

i don't agree with your police force representative of local populaces creating more segregation-- police officers are supposed to be peacekeepers, and that would be the case regardless of the color of the skin of those the police would be interacting with. if you want to stop white flight and segregation then you have to start looking outside law enforcement to the source of the problem: the lack of proper pre-k through grammar school money in disadvantaged black communities. even though i hate his guts, at least de blasio's platfom had this as its central idea. in other words it is not merely a "race issue" it is a "class issue."

the mandatory army aspect is not merely about training men and women to work as a team for a cause, it is meant to instill love of country and devotion to the communities from which they have come, once their term of national and civic duty is completed. if people already possess the virtues required for being good citizens then that's fine. but the army is the most straightforward way of creating good citizens, and i will stress that it would not mean an offensive army.

You either love your country or don't so I don't agree with mandatory military service. Besides wasn't the jackass who orchestrated the Dallas shooting in the Army reserves?

by the time you are eighteen who in fact has "instilled" love of country in you? it's an acquired attribute not innate, right?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/11/2016  8:21 PM
arkrud wrote:
A gunman has killed two police officers and wounded another outside a courthouse in the US state of Michigan.

This is getting worth...

Hopefully it has nothing to do with race... just regular criminal story...
Still people kill not guns....
This inmate took gun from police and used it to kill them.
The issues are more that just gun control...

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7/11/2016  8:28 PM
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/10/riveting-post-by-black-police-officer-confronts-blm-with-raw-honesty-and-every-american-needs-to-see-it-363067

Just another perspective.

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7/11/2016  8:44 PM
arkrud wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

Yeah and let's ignore all of Western Europe, also known as the remainder of the world's top-tier economies.

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7/11/2016  9:23 PM
Some interesting points raised.

First and foremost we can only attempt to stop racism by first accepting that its a reality and then holding anyone accountable who is willing to use racism for decision making. If no one has to be held accountable for racism then it will be the same old story. Or maybe we should just wait until one day everyone is 100% morally enlightened then racism will take care of itself.

That woman who was raped by the Stanford swimmer. What if I took the stance that she had the freedom to not go to college parties. That she had the freedom to not drink. That rape will one day stop when everyone decides that its morally wrong and we should just look forward to that day. She shouldn't be tooo upset since some places in the middle east the rape and molest women and children all the time. So its justified for the judge to give him such a light sentence. Or cops have the freedom to have other careers so officers getting killed on the job isn't a big deal.

In this thread there are many non African Americans attempting to speak on the experience of African Americans in America which is flawed in it self. Arkud you are of Russian decent. Have you and your friend growing up in America ever been kicked out of house parties due to Russian stereotypes instantly making you a threat? Have you ever been in a predominantly white neighborhood. Followed then stopped by the police, then asked what you were doing in said town. Then told to go back to where you came from? Have you had to have conversations with your children that they might get killed by the police because they are viewed as a bigger threat due to there skin color?

When I was around 9-10 I got into a fight with another kid who was white. I punched him a few times, He kicked me in the face with some karate kick. He decided he didn't want to fight anymore and walked away with some blood inside his cheek. And we left it at that. I was later arrested and brought to the police station. Nobody cared for my side of the story. No officers ever asked me what happen or why we fought. All that mattered was that his white mother was upset her child got into a fight. Since I was black I was instantly guilty. It couldn't just be 2 little kids had a disagreement fought it out and went there separate ways.

And that is petty stuff on my end. How many of you can identify with being arrested for fitting the description or charged with crimes you didn't commit and pressured to take plea deals with the threat of max charges.

Many urban communities have and admitted horrible education system meaning no hope for future and go through an admitted jacked up criminal system. African Americans can move out of the poor urban communities. Work two jobs in order to keep up with expenses in order to make sure there child receives a better education. This may save that one family. But none of this improves that community they left. All it does is enhance the community that was already good. Meanwhile many more other families that fail to pull this off get stuck in the cycle.

Family structure is very important and key as touched on many times. You know what destroys family structure? Throwing one out three in jail. Murdering members of households.

Immigrants can never challenge government or protest there rights they are not a threat to anyone in positions of power.

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7/11/2016  10:14 PM
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I've got a lot to say on this subject but I rather just let this all play out. If Hillary is who panders to radical groups wins this garbage will go one for at least another 4-8yrs...

Its a damn shame that this garbage rhetoric is inspiring psychopaths like Micah Johnson and many like him to kill innocent Americans. Killing Dallas cops who should be the national poster child for police and community relations

So basically, you're blaming Clinton for the incident?!

Terrible thing that happened in Dallas, but to say something like this you must be channeling your inner Trump.

The person doing the most pandering is the fellow with the strange orange hair and pouting lips with the Mussolini facial expressions. There are enough things going on in the world to cause fear...not sure we need Trump or demagogues like him to stir things up even more..

Don't mind him. He's just stupid. Prime candidate for the ignore list.

I find it comical that he usually assumes a very disapraging position of Black people, when to my knowledge, he's a naturalized citizen from Brazil. Now he gets to look down on the very same people that afforded him the rights and protections he enjoys today that Blacks fought centuries to obtain through blood, sweat and tears for ALL Americans.

You are way off base. Long before this this national epidemic I've been an advocate for doing away with labels and I've posted how it shouldn't even be on government forms.

In that same thread years ago I acknowledged that we we still have work to do as Americans in terms of racial equality.
I compared us to Brazil where I was born for and spent the first 5yrs of my life. I talked about how over there you see a lot more integration. You grow up with friends of all races. You share the same common interest.

What I experienced here growing up in an inner city was very different. There were "clicks" that automatically made you feel segregated and unequal for various reasons. I've witness the violence. I've witnessed police putting their lives on the line to protect civilians. I've witnessed and experienced a lot of shotty police work as well. I also spent time living amongst "white" america. I've witnessed all the prejudices. Some of them very off base and based on misconceptions often based on what they see on television, the news and the music.

I still see the same stuff everyday presently living in one of the most violent cities in the country so it bothers me when the media, politicians & the people attempt to force a false narrative down our throats. Especially when it impacts the level of protection we get from the police. Especially when we already are at danger with what is going on around the world. We certainly don't need to add domestic terrorism. Even with all our troubles there is no better place to be than here. Our problems pale in comparison to the problems other countries face. I witness it first hand with Brazil.

I just think it is ridiculous and actually dividing us. In my life time we've never been as divided as a nation as we are now. We were so close but we've gone backwards because we lack true unifying leadership.

Most politicians and community leaders I see only care about money getting our votes and keeping the status quo instead of pushing us to be better and more compassionate as human beings. Stand up for what is right and lead our children down a better path so that they learn to earn respect instead of forcefully and violently demand it.

I can assure you blaming and chanting we want dead cops and then killing cops is not the answer. There is a better way and nothing will change until we have leaders who want to unify us and make America a great country again. A better country than its ever been actually

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