Cool. Have a nice evening.

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

misterearl wrote:arkrud - "In the interest of time, would ye noble patriots please provide a list of infractions punishable by spontaneous public execution?

This is not going reduce animosity, it will increase it.
The one thing, I see the most is how the tone of these discussions quickly change to accusatory and then "evidence" is provided to back up well established divisive rationale which drives people further and further apart. I am guilty of it too, it is very hard to completely avoid the language of one's peers, but we need to try. Quoting articles and do called journalism that is only geared towards one side if the conversation is unhelpful.

agreed. it's irresponsible.

It's a tragic accident with one man became a killer and another man died.
It's a failure of the procedure, of the system, and specific people.
It must go to the court of low and whoever is responsible must be prosecuted.
It must go to the court of public opinion to make sure we can start fixing the problems we have.
It should not became a tool for anyone political or personal agenda.

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:arkrud - using your logic, the stats justify random murder?

Cool. Have a nice evening.

The stats justify nothing.
Not the stats you presented and not the stats I presented.
They help to understand why things are happening this way or another.
And in this respect both my and your stats tells the same sad story.
Police is at war with crime and war kills people.
Some who fight and some who just were unfortunate bystanders.
So what your solution - dissolve police and have people protect themselves?
How many more people you then expect to be dead every day?

Please explain how getting shot during a routine traffic stop fits into the police's "war on crime"?

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:FACTORIAL

The disparities appear to be even starker for unarmed suspects, according to an analysis of 2015 police killings by the Guardian. Racial minorities made up about 37.4 percent of the general population in the US and 46.6 percent of armed and unarmed victims, but they made up 62.7 percent of unarmed people killed by police.

More than half of murders, rapes, robberies, aggravated assaults, burglaries, and fraud in US are committed by black Americans.
African Americans represent 13% of population.
http://civilrightsmovement.net/us-crime-statistics-by-race/
I know that there are unfortunate historical reasons for this.
But it clearly explains why law enforcement is getting into conflict and killing black people more that anybody else.

I had to come out of retirement for this one...Maybe you and CashMoney, who claims he works in the Criminal Justice system but goes to a Financial website to get stats on Crime, need a few pointers on where to find stats to support your arguments...

According to the FBI, the people who are responsible for gathering these stats, as of 2014:

1. Whites in America commits 69.4% of all crime versus 27.8% by blacks
2. Whites in America commits 59.4% of all violent crimes versus 37.7% by blacks..Cash Money had non-whites including blacks committing 90% of all violent crimes...

According to a study by the Washington Post, Unarmed blacks are 7 times as likely to killed by police than unarmed whites...SEVEN TIMES!!!!

In 2015, The Post documented 990 fatal shootings by police, 93 of which involved people who were unarmed. Black men accounted for about 40 percent of the unarmed people fatally shot by police and, when adjusted by population, were seven times as likely as unarmed white men to die from police gunfire, The Post found.

A study of the Icelandic class system done by a University of Missouri master's student found only 1.1% of participants identified themselves as upper class, while 1.5% saw themselves as lower class.
The remaining 97% identified themselves as upper-middle class, lower-middle class, or working class.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

holfresh wrote:

Good.
Sounds like we are getting better with time.

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https://twitter.com/meanbarb/status/752330582764421120

Piggybacking on Anthony?

CashMoney wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:What's sad now is that all the stereotyping and biased are being made to be true. Black people killing police because they are police will cause police to be more trigger happy with black people in general, So both sides will be right. Blacks will be more dangerous to police officers on the job and police officers will be more dangerous to black people. This will be fed and encouraged by our politicians and media. No way out of this one.

Police were already trigger-happy with Black people. That's why we've reached this boiling point. Even my Bryant Gumbel-sounding ass has had a police officer threaten to draw on him because I reached for my ID....which the idiot instructed me to do. I guess speeding 15mph over the limit (on a ****ing parkway) makes me a dangerous criminal.

Statistically speaking whites are killed more often by police than black people. Non whites (blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.) commit 90% of all violent crime in the USA. Since white people commit less violent crime yet are killed more often by police one could argue that being white is more likely to get you killed by police.

I find it interesting that the main stream media is all over the MN and LA shooting but little attention is being given to the black off duty officer that shot and killed an unarmed black man in Brooklyn or the Fresno shooting where police shot and killed Dylan Noble, an unarmed white teenager.

I could get more into this as well as media bias and BS but have to leave for work but I'll be happy to discuss further manana if I have any takers. BTW, not trying to stir anything up but as a minority and a member of law enforcement I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue.

And since it seems you're unaware of the context for the outrage being felt across the country, this video will help clarify...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. There is no proof that black people with guns are killed more often than white people with guns. Every police interaction with an armed suspect does not result in a shooting death regardless of race.

I've got a lot to say on this subject but I rather just let this all play out. If Hillary is who panders to radical groups wins this garbage will go one for at least another 4-8yrs.

There are plenty of instances of young white kids being shot and killed by police. And 99.9 percent of the time they were not being 100% cooperative. Being a cop isn't easy. Especially in high crime areas where everyone if killing each other.

So google it, youtube it. You don't see when white kids are shot and killed because it doesn't fit the current narrative.

I'm just waiting for opportunist terrorists to seize the opportunity to kill us all during another protest that distracts the entire cities police force from protecting all Americans.

Cops need to take a stand and not go to work for a day. Let everyone kill each other as I watch from the safety of my home

GustavBahler wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

misterearl wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:Interesting that the discussion went into the same dead end of separation and hate.
No one talking about what brings us together but just about things that divide us.
Everyone has an argument which proves some group of people being victimized and another being an oppressor.
If some white people suck so all white people suck, and if some black people suck so all black people suck.
The only thing that can bring us together is the law to which everyone is unanswerable regardless of who he is.
This is the only known way for society to survive.
If low is bad, outdated, did not serve the purpose anymore lets fight together to make it better.
I think this is what Melo message is about and this is exactly how athletes, celebs, whoever can approach the solution.
This how slavery and segregation came to the end and this how race inequality of today should be resolved.

African Americans have been voicing there concern over these issues for yrs upon yrs upon yrs. Only to be told that there are no problems. That we are only playing the victim. What would have brought us together would have been general care for our well being. If instead of claiming were acting as victims. Investigation and research to actually see if the complaints are valid and justified should have been the response. Then actual solutions be put in place to fix these issues. Showing understanding and effort which all could have been happening over the yrs to avoid where we are now. Shit had to hit the fan though instead and a boiling point had to be reached for ppl to now claim to want to come together. And even that might just be a hustle waiting foebish to blow over.

The ideal of us being one has been the hustle African Americans have been falling for since segregation has ended. And while it is the ideal senario. Prove that we are one with actual results that back it.

The prove is millions of African American and African emigrants of 20-21 century who work every possible way of live in US and are as successful as any other Americans who leave there for generations and new emigrants. At the end is is always a personal effort, the family effort, and community effort.
Do we have plenty of bigots of any color and national descent? Sure. Do we have low broken and disregarded, and not enforced. Absolutely.
Is this the reasons to kill each other? No its not.
It is the reason to talk about it and use any possible platform to make it better.

arkrud - your meandering response is tone deaf and lacks nuance.

"In the interest of time, would ye noble patriots please provide a list of infractions punishable by spontaneous public execution? Thanks!"

Getting into a physical alteration with someone who has firearm.

Not being still when a police officer has a weapon drawn and tells you to do so.

These fall mostly under Darwinian precepts.

Would you mind telling me what Darwin has to do with this?

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

misterearl wrote:arkrud - "In the interest of time, would ye noble patriots please provide a list of infractions punishable by spontaneous public execution?

This is not going reduce animosity, it will increase it.
The one thing, I see the most is how the tone of these discussions quickly change to accusatory and then "evidence" is provided to back up well established divisive rationale which drives people further and further apart. I am guilty of it too, it is very hard to completely avoid the language of one's peers, but we need to try. Quoting articles and do called journalism that is only geared towards one side if the conversation is unhelpful.

agreed. it's irresponsible.

It's a tragic accident with one man became a killer and another man died.
It's a failure of the procedure, of the system, and specific people.
It must go to the court of low and whoever is responsible must be prosecuted.
It must go to the court of public opinion to make sure we can start fixing the problems we have.
It should not became a tool for anyone political or personal agenda.

I think you guys are miss understanding Earl. I took his quote as saying did the actions of the civilians(provide list of infractions) who were killed by the police worthy of death(punishable by death). I think you guys read "public execution" as trying to kill officers.