Looking at pics of Hillary in 08 and now , she has not aged gracefully. Those damn donuts strike again

Yup meloanyk, let's judge people based on their physical appearance. Yeah, that's the ticket.

This fantasy megalomania, Trump as the magical savior, is the most ridiculous feature of Trump’s candidacy. What makes his acceptance speech new and different is that he offers more than just himself as the solution. He offers his supporters a restoration of the social order Obama inverted. Trump’s election will not only make Trump the president, it will represent white America attaining the necessary level of collective consciousness, rising as one."

- Johnathan Chait

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's more than just a show man. Show man doesn't win the Republican nomination with record numbers. He wins using common sense in mostly everything he does. Common sense something Americans have been calling for from our politicians for a long time and Hillary Clinton desperately lacks.

Sure, if you ignore all the lies.

guns, what common sense policies has he proposed? I literally can't find anything concrete

And I feel like he won the republican nomination cause the rest of the group was a clown show, that's not achievement to hang your hat on.

The specifics will be argued during the debates. Haven't heard much from Hillary either other than the usual petty media stuff the media digs up to deflect.

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's more than just a show man. Show man doesn't win the Republican nomination with record numbers. He wins using common sense in mostly everything he does. Common sense something Americans have been calling for from our politicians for a long time and Hillary Clinton desperately lacks.

Sure, if you ignore all the lies.

guns, what common sense policies has he proposed? I literally can't find anything concrete

And I feel like he won the republican nomination cause the rest of the group was a clown show, that's not achievement to hang your hat on.

The specifics will be argued during the debates. Haven't heard much from Hillary either other than the usual petty media stuff the media digs up to deflect.

No, that isn't good enough. YOU stated unsolicited that he is using common sense. Asked what common sense policies he's proposed, which is a perfectly fair, reasonable, relevant question, you defer.

Why? Why not explain what the specific policies are you think will benefit this country?

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I asked you for FACTS about his intelligence, you talk about from afar he seems like he is not a "nuanced thinker". I blow up your theory by saying someone who KNOWS him disagrees with your opinion. Opinions are like *******s, we all have one.

Tony Schwartz spent a year shadowing Donald. He knows him and disagrees with your opinion.

So why do you accept Hennessy's insight on Bush but reject Schwartz insight on Trump. They both equally qualify for criteria you are valuing, direct access and personal, intimate knowledge.

Can you take a second to answer that fair question?

And YOU TOTALLY IGNORE IT!

Apologies.

I know lots of avid readers i wouldn't let do my taxes, let alone run the country.

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I asked you for FACTS about his intelligence, you talk about from afar he seems like he is not a "nuanced thinker". I blow up your theory by saying someone who KNOWS him disagrees with your opinion. Opinions are like *******s, we all have one.

Tony Schwartz spent a year shadowing Donald. He knows him and disagrees with your opinion.

So why do you accept Hennessy's insight on Bush but reject Schwartz insight on Trump. They both equally qualify for criteria you are valuing, direct access and personal, intimate knowledge.

Can you take a second to answer that fair question?

And YOU TOTALLY IGNORE IT!

Apologies.

I know lots of avid readers i wouldn't let do my taxes, let alone run the country.

When did I reject Schwartz's insight? I never even mentioned it. My opinion of his opinion is that I would look at it closely and evaluate it using my own judgement from what I see. He may be right, that's fine. I have said from the beginning that I am not a fan of Trump and he scares me on several points. Please show me - where I have defended Trump? We have 2 bad choices. you will pick your poison and i will pick mine. I am sure I cannot change your mind and be sure, you will not change mine either.

As for your comment here:

I know lots of avid readers i wouldn't let do my taxes, let alone run the country.

You gave your opinion as to his intelligence and I have shown you facts to refute your opinons on top of an opinion of someone who worked with him . I know the facts dont fit your narrative but that doesn't make it less true.

The fact is that the man is interested in things because he reads a ton of books and like it or not that is a sign of intelligence. His art is another sign of an interest to expand his mind. Just Because he has not "impressed" YOU with his intellect does not mean it is not there. It is just a personal attack used by the left to be little the man. I get it, its politics.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:When did I reject Schwartz's insight?

Since you seem to put weight in those with direct access/interaction, do you have any reason to dismiss this person?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-remorseful-ghostwriter

Yes, and as you say, we can play this game all day.

Did I misunderstand you when i asked if you have any reason to dismiss this person and you responded "yes" without qualification?

I am sure I cannot change your mind and be sure, you will not change mine either.

Ad you just identified the problem.

As for your comment here:

The fact is that the man is interested in things because he reads a ton of books and like it or not that is a sign of intelligence. His art is another sign of an interest to expand his mind. Just Because he has not "impressed" YOU with his intellect does not mean it is not there. It is just a personal attack used by the left to be little the man. I get it, its politics.

You're working a little too hard here, wanting to squeeze me into the perpetrators of the satirical caricature that offends you.

I have made it clear I have not claimed he is stupid, you just really seem to prefer it if I had.

And I don't know know exactly what your point is, if we're talking politics, the economic collapse 2008 happened during the culmination of his administration. 9/11 happened under his administration. The invasion of Irag happened during his administration, be a product of a lie or a failure of the intelligence it was sold on.

If you'd like to weigh his effectiveness as president independent of his personal intelligence, that is up to you.

All I've said it I question his intelligence in respects to the type of mind I think best suited for the job. And that is based as much on his actions than how he presents.

I'll be happy to rephrase to appease you. I question his intellectual ambition, and no, that he is an avid reader doesn't make me question that assessment.

The second he shows an ability to express an complex idea is maybe when I'll change my mind.

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's more than just a show man. Show man doesn't win the Republican nomination with record numbers. He wins using common sense in mostly everything he does. Common sense something Americans have been calling for from our politicians for a long time and Hillary Clinton desperately lacks.

Sure, if you ignore all the lies.

guns, what common sense policies has he proposed? I literally can't find anything concrete

And I feel like he won the republican nomination cause the rest of the group was a clown show, that's not achievement to hang your hat on.

The specifics will be argued during the debates. Haven't heard much from Hillary either other than the usual petty media stuff the media digs up to deflect.

Yeah Trump gave us some ideas...

Cut taxes for the rich...build a lot of stuff trains/walls/ (no mention of Mexico paying for anything last night)...conquer outer space...publicly execute his rival, and lots of other stuff that he will do immediately as Emperor President.

Maybe put some money toward his buddy Peter Thiel's Seasteads...

One of the most unsettling speeches I have heard, and his speechwriter toned it down for the most part.

He should have played the "Governor" on The Walking Dead...perfect role for him.

Classic 20th century dictator stuff from him.

Stretching it a bit but I saw some disturbing parallels to speeches at the rally grounds but we do have more checks and balances. He doesn't surface without the climate created over the last few years

I was surprised by Ivanka's speech and the nods towards women and mothers in the workplace, Thiel's Silicon Valley Log Cabin out and proud moment and dismissal of the bathroom laws, and Trump's honest admission here:

At RNC, Trump Gets Self-Reflective On Evangelical Support
For one moment, Trump was far from his signature unrelenting bombast.
JULY 22, 2016 By Mary Katharine Ham
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/22/at-rnc-trump-gets-self-reflective-on-evangelical-support/

Donald Trump surprised his audience a couple times during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention Thursday. He didn’t enter to any notable special effects. He remained calm and stuck to the TelePrompter for most of the speech.

But one time he strayed, ad libbing for a moment in the most unexpected way. In talking about the support he had received from evangelical voters, Trump got introspective.

“At this moment, I would like to thank the evangelical and religious community in general who have been so good to me and so supportive,” he said, adding “and I’m not sure I totally deserve it.”

And also this:

Republican Platform Calls for Repeal of Ban on Political Organizing by Churches
Elizabeth Dias @elizabethjdias July 14, 2016
http://time.com/4406567/republican-platform-johnson-amendment-churches-political-organizing/

Early Wednesday morning, Donald Trump called Jerry Falwell Jr. and woke him up with news the Liberty University president has long been waiting to hear. The new Republican platform, the GOP nominee told Falwell, calls for the repeal of a half-century-old tax law prohibiting churches and tax-exempt institutions from political organizing.

“He was so excited,” Falwell says. “After 30 years of the so-called conservative leaders who have been elected by evangelicals, none of them thought to advocate for the repeal of the Johnson amendment, giving evangelical leaders political free speech. … He thinks it is going to be a revolution in the Christian world.”

It was a strange mix of liberal talking points, anti-interventionism, pro-trade war, strongman law and order Big Daddy appeal, with red meat for the evangelical base policy-wise, with his VP pick, with his Supreme Court nominee list. Even letting Ted Cruz speak was a sort of concession to the evangelicals which he needs... was him walking onto the floor during Cruz's slight and witnessing the chaotic scene at Cruz's feet a bit of stagecraft?

Michael Moore said this week on Bill Maher he thinks Trump is going to win. A few more scary law & order events in the news plus the 50/50 state of the polls... things are gonna get weird. I hope Hillary is ready for it. But it was a good night for the Log Cabin Republicans at least! Long suffering members finally getting some prime time validation from their party.