nyknickzingis wrote:That's what has irked me about the whole NY traded for Rose and signed Noah - look they are doing what they always do which is go for big names.

They not only are far from old. They are also not a star studded team. They have role players galore - Lee, Noah, Thomas in particular - who will offset the ball dominance/usage rates of Melo and Rose.

The likely top 9 rotation will be

Noah 31
Porzingis 20
Melo 32
Lee 30
Rose 27
Jennings 26
Thomas 28
Holiday 28
Kuzminskas 26

This is an average age of 27-28 years old.

hernangomez will see minutes. if i were the coach i would be putting the brittle players on a minutes restriction this year. since a title is out of the question the next best thing is to stay healthy and make the best use of the money spent while we continue to develop a winner. these guys are not of much use in street clothes so hornacek must take the spurs/popovich route

noah 26 minutes
rose 26 minutes
melo 28 minutes
kp6 28 minutes
lee 32 minutes

that's 140 minutes for the starters and 100 bench minutes

hernangomez 16/kp6 6 at the center
jennings 22
thomas 16 for melo
thomas 12 for kp6
holiday 16
kuzminskas 12

that's how i see things shaking out for now

callmened wrote:i agree. this is NOT an old team

three starters have had significant injury issues the last several seasons. you cannot ignore that. if you mete out the minutes in keeping with their propensity for breaking down you will stand a better chance of their playing closer to 80 games than 50 or 60, thus getting more value out of their contracts.

Cartman718 wrote:I agree but we all know Melo is going to get at least 33-35 mins

There are ways to limit minutes in total without limiting minutes per game. I'm sure JH will work to limit minutes per game and total for the season. He wants to play uptempo and I suspect he knows players will need rest and a good sub pattern to keep fresh.

dk7th wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree. this is NOT an old team

three starters have had significant injury issues the last several seasons. you cannot ignore that. if you mete out the minutes in keeping with their propensity for breaking down you will stand a better chance of their playing closer to 80 games than 50 or 60, thus getting more value out of their contracts.

i agree. im concerned with the injury history...not their age.

Knicksfan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree. this is NOT an old team

three starters have had significant injury issues the last several seasons. you cannot ignore that. if you mete out the minutes in keeping with their propensity for breaking down you will stand a better chance of their playing closer to 80 games than 50 or 60, thus getting more value out of their contracts.

I understand the fact that both Rose and Noah have had recent injuries that make their deals risky, but people should also understand that so many players have a history of injuries that would make them look risky too. Its part of the game. Are they healthy now? ok, then let's go to war.

bros it's a trend. if by "go to war" you mean "make them play 36 minutes a night" you are trying to buck the trend or quite simply beat the odds. it would be a gamble and i don't believe this coming season is one where you would gamble. and gambling is not a good longer-term strategy.

and yes, although the point guards are both on potentially one and done deals and have a lot to prove, that doesn't mean we are forced to play them more minutes than their bodies can handle. knees, achilles tendons, feet, shoulders... you understand what i mean. there's a collective breakdown potential here, or more likely a sequential breakdown, which would mean we'd never see them all on the floor at the same time "at full strength."

dk7th wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree. this is NOT an old team

three starters have had significant injury issues the last several seasons. you cannot ignore that. if you mete out the minutes in keeping with their propensity for breaking down you will stand a better chance of their playing closer to 80 games than 50 or 60, thus getting more value out of their contracts.

I understand the fact that both Rose and Noah have had recent injuries that make their deals risky, but people should also understand that so many players have a history of injuries that would make them look risky too. Its part of the game. Are they healthy now? ok, then let's go to war.

bros it's a trend. if by "go to war" you mean "make them play 36 minutes a night" you are trying to buck the trend or quite simply beat the odds. it would be a gamble and i don't believe this coming season is one where you would gamble. and gambling is not a good longer-term strategy.

and yes, although the point guards are both on potentially one and done deals and have a lot to prove, that doesn't mean we are forced to play them more minutes than their bodies can handle. knees, achilles tendons, feet, shoulders... you understand what i mean. there's a collective breakdown potential here, or more likely a sequential breakdown, which would mean we'd never see them all on the floor at the same time "at full strength."

This team doesn't have the depth to weather to many injuries, its a very top heavy roster. Other than Jennings this bench is filled with borderline rotation, not rotation players.