CrushAlot wrote:KP and O'Quinn. Early might be back. Also Rambis is still here.

I was going to make a larger post about this, and obviously I caught a lot of flack for speculating at the time - but I do think Phil underwent a MAJOR philosophy shift between the end of the season in April when it sounded like Rambis would be the coach and he didn't want to invest in point guards... and now when he have made major moves for DRose and a quality risk signing in Jennings and hired Hornacek at head coach who may run the Triangle, but will feature pick and rolls and faster pace.

knicks1248 wrote:This is a full 180, its like someone slap the shiiit out of Phil and yelled WTF..wake the hell up!!!

He has definitely flip the script,and I pray he comes out looking like a Don

My guess is that it was Dolan.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:KP and O'Quinn. Early might be back. Also Rambis is still here.

I was going to make a larger post about this, and obviously I caught a lot of flack for speculating at the time - but I do think Phil underwent a MAJOR philosophy shift between the end of the season in April when it sounded like Rambis would be the coach and he didn't want to invest in point guards... and now when he have made major moves for DRose and a quality risk signing in Jennings and hired Hornacek at head coach who may run the Triangle, but will feature pick and rolls and faster pace.

I believe Phil never was going to hire Rambis. He loves to say one thing and do another when it comes to the media. He made a career out of it. Mind games. I never took the Rambis stuff serious. Why didn't he hire Rambis over Fish or Kerr if he was so great a leader? Phil knew where Rambis could help - an assistant and someone that reports back to Phil.

Where I agree with you is the change of thinking. I believe this is all on Hornachek and their meeting. I believe Hornachek approached it in a way that made Phil realize he had to try something differently than how he won as a coach because the talent the Knicks have or could have realistically is vastly different than than that Lakers or his Bullls team had. For one those teams had a Kobe or Jordan to overshadow the need for a real point guard. Sure if you have a Lebron James you don't need a really effective point guard (won with Chalmers in Miami). However will the Knicks ever get that kind of talent? And posting up well Shaq was the most dominant post player arguably ever and Pau Gasol in his peak was a great post player. Knicks just didn't have the means to attain players like that for Phil to keep ignoring the point guard position. You saw this free agency and summer everything happen the way Hornachek wants it. He wanted a real driving point guard and that's what he got. He wanted a backup who has starting ability and they got that. With the option to even run 2 point guard lineups.

It will be a very interesting year. I won't say anything with confirmation or conviction in regards to where we will end up but I do believe a playoff run is realistic.

nixluva wrote:What you guys are saying is over the top. Every recruit for the draft said the focus was Triangle. Summer League was Triangle and it's still Triangle in D League. All that's happened is a tweak. The Triangle is still the core of the system but with some changes. There really isn't anything wrong with the underlying system. They just needed to increase the pace, PnR and 3's. All of which has been part of the system but now the focus on these aspects should increase.

nixluva wrote:Phil said that they made up their minds about needing a PG before Hornacek. Perhaps they started negotiations with the Bulls before Horny as well. Whatever it was I'm glad they made all the moves they have.

Where did he say that? Not trying to troll or anything, just honestly curious. I don't remember him saying that. I remember very clearly him saying that he didn't want to "get caught up in the need for a PG, for overpaying for one."

I'm at the point now where I realize that what Phil says to the media and what he winds up doing don't have much relation to each other... but still... the shift in emphasis is interesting and to me notable.

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:KP and O'Quinn. Early might be back. Also Rambis is still here.

I was going to make a larger post about this, and obviously I caught a lot of flack for speculating at the time - but I do think Phil underwent a MAJOR philosophy shift between the end of the season in April when it sounded like Rambis would be the coach and he didn't want to invest in point guards... and now when he have made major moves for DRose and a quality risk signing in Jennings and hired Hornacek at head coach who may run the Triangle, but will feature pick and rolls and faster pace.

I believe Phil never was going to hire Rambis. He loves to say one thing and do another when it comes to the media. He made a career out of it. Mind games. I never took the Rambis stuff serious. Why didn't he hire Rambis over Fish or Kerr if he was so great a leader? Phil knew where Rambis could help - an assistant and someone that reports back to Phil.

Where I agree with you is the change of thinking. I believe this is all on Hornachek and their meeting. I believe Hornachek approached it in a way that made Phil realize he had to try something differently than how he won as a coach because the talent the Knicks have or could have realistically is vastly different than than that Lakers or his Bullls team had. For one those teams had a Kobe or Jordan to overshadow the need for a real point guard. Sure if you have a Lebron James you don't need a really effective point guard (won with Chalmers in Miami). However will the Knicks ever get that kind of talent? And posting up well Shaq was the most dominant post player arguably ever and Pau Gasol in his peak was a great post player. Knicks just didn't have the means to attain players like that for Phil to keep ignoring the point guard position. You saw this free agency and summer everything happen the way Hornachek wants it. He wanted a real driving point guard and that's what he got. He wanted a backup who has starting ability and they got that. With the option to even run 2 point guard lineups.

It will be a very interesting year. I won't say anything with confirmation or conviction in regards to where we will end up but I do believe a playoff run is realistic.

The Rose trade kicked things off. Which side initiated the trade? Maybe Phil rolled the dice on that one and everything else fell into step afterwards. Somebody in another thread pointed out how Rose pushed for Noah and Noah pushed for Lee, and who knows how Jennings was first approached.

Your last line is probably exactly how I think...only thing I would have mentioned is the health factor- which is probably why you're a bit hesitant.

A big if...but if everyone is healthy, minimal games are missed during the regular season, and our entire squad is healthy for the playoffs, I simply cannot see how we won't be a major "player" in the playoffs. We should be able to compete against almost any team in the EC, IMO, and give the Cavs a run for their money.

WaltLongmire wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:KP and O'Quinn. Early might be back. Also Rambis is still here.

I was going to make a larger post about this, and obviously I caught a lot of flack for speculating at the time - but I do think Phil underwent a MAJOR philosophy shift between the end of the season in April when it sounded like Rambis would be the coach and he didn't want to invest in point guards... and now when he have made major moves for DRose and a quality risk signing in Jennings and hired Hornacek at head coach who may run the Triangle, but will feature pick and rolls and faster pace.

I believe Phil never was going to hire Rambis. He loves to say one thing and do another when it comes to the media. He made a career out of it. Mind games. I never took the Rambis stuff serious. Why didn't he hire Rambis over Fish or Kerr if he was so great a leader? Phil knew where Rambis could help - an assistant and someone that reports back to Phil.

Where I agree with you is the change of thinking. I believe this is all on Hornachek and their meeting. I believe Hornachek approached it in a way that made Phil realize he had to try something differently than how he won as a coach because the talent the Knicks have or could have realistically is vastly different than than that Lakers or his Bullls team had. For one those teams had a Kobe or Jordan to overshadow the need for a real point guard. Sure if you have a Lebron James you don't need a really effective point guard (won with Chalmers in Miami). However will the Knicks ever get that kind of talent? And posting up well Shaq was the most dominant post player arguably ever and Pau Gasol in his peak was a great post player. Knicks just didn't have the means to attain players like that for Phil to keep ignoring the point guard position. You saw this free agency and summer everything happen the way Hornachek wants it. He wanted a real driving point guard and that's what he got. He wanted a backup who has starting ability and they got that. With the option to even run 2 point guard lineups.

It will be a very interesting year. I won't say anything with confirmation or conviction in regards to where we will end up but I do believe a playoff run is realistic.

Hornacek...maybe Anthony, I just don't think it was Dolan changed Phil. Maybe Phil just stepped back and looked at things differently.

The Rose trade kicked things off. Which side initiated the trade? Maybe Phil rolled the dice on that one and everything else fell into step afterwards. Somebody in another thread pointed out how Rose pushed for Noah and Noah pushed for Lee, and who knows how Jennings was first approached.

Your last line is probably exactly how I think...only thing I would have mentioned is the health factor- which is probably why you're a bit hesitant.

A big if...but if everyone is healthy, minimal games are missed during the regular season, and our entire squad is healthy for the playoffs, I simply cannot see how we won't be a major "player" in the playoffs. We should be able to compete against almost any team in the EC, IMO, and give the Cavs a run for their money.