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meloanyk
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7/1/2016  8:16 PM
If the Knicks sign Joakim Noah as reported after acquiring Derrick Rose last week, ESPN Stats & Info notes they'll have added two of the least efficient players during the past NBA season. Noah's effective field-goal percentage of 38.3 percent was the worst in the league. Rose had the third-fewest win shares for players who logged at least 2,000 minutes (0.4).


Dont fret , Im sure both will get better with age
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7/1/2016  8:21 PM
meloanyk wrote:If the Knicks sign Joakim Noah as reported after acquiring Derrick Rose last week, ESPN Stats & Info notes they'll have added two of the least efficient players during the past NBA season. Noah's effective field-goal percentage of 38.3 percent was the worst in the league. Rose had the third-fewest win shares for players who logged at least 2,000 minutes (0.4).


Dont fret , Im sure both will get better with age

You really are not paying attention. Noah was dealing with his shoulder issue and being in a different role off the bench. He should be fully healthy now. Both Rose and Noah should be stronger next season than they were at any time this season.
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7/1/2016  8:32 PM
The future is not the mirror of the past.
But the truth is usually somewhere in-between.
If Noah guarantied is no longer than Melo this does not matter.
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7/1/2016  8:35 PM
meloanyk wrote:If the Knicks sign Joakim Noah as reported after acquiring Derrick Rose last week, ESPN Stats & Info notes they'll have added two of the least efficient players during the past NBA season. Noah's effective field-goal percentage of 38.3 percent was the worst in the league. Rose had the third-fewest win shares for players who logged at least 2,000 minutes (0.4).


Dont fret , Im sure both will get better with age

Do you pay attention to what goes on with other teams and players?? Noah was dealing with with the shoulder, playing with P.Gasol and with a new head coach who brought in a new system and supposedly Noah didn't really get along with Hoiberg and Rose was coming back from the knee injury and had the eye (clavicle) thing and wasn't going 100%. Both will be much better next year.
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7/1/2016  8:38 PM
nixluva wrote:
meloanyk wrote:If the Knicks sign Joakim Noah as reported after acquiring Derrick Rose last week, ESPN Stats & Info notes they'll have added two of the least efficient players during the past NBA season. Noah's effective field-goal percentage of 38.3 percent was the worst in the league. Rose had the third-fewest win shares for players who logged at least 2,000 minutes (0.4).


Dont fret , Im sure both will get better with age

You really are not paying attention. Noah was dealing with his shoulder issue and being in a different role off the bench. He should be fully healthy now. Both Rose and Noah should be stronger next season than they were at any time this season.


Please know your facts. Noah first injured his shoulder on 12/21 which is about two months into season , missed a week and then missed nine games before reinjuring it upon his return in early January. His accumulated stats had nothing to do with the injured shoulder other than missed games. To further your knowledge on his role, he lost his starting job to Mirkovic because Hoiberg felt that the pairing with Gasol was not working. In 15-16, Bulls were 4 pts better on O without Noah and the same defensively with or without. Im a Noah fan but those are the facts
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7/1/2016  8:40 PM
People keep on talking about the shoulder injury Noah had as an explanation of why he was so bad last year. Noah dislocated his shoulder in January and missed the rest of the season; I can't find anything about a shoulder injury prior that would explain his ****ty play up to that point.
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7/1/2016  8:48 PM
meloanyk wrote:
nixluva wrote:
meloanyk wrote:If the Knicks sign Joakim Noah as reported after acquiring Derrick Rose last week, ESPN Stats & Info notes they'll have added two of the least efficient players during the past NBA season. Noah's effective field-goal percentage of 38.3 percent was the worst in the league. Rose had the third-fewest win shares for players who logged at least 2,000 minutes (0.4).


Dont fret , Im sure both will get better with age

You really are not paying attention. Noah was dealing with his shoulder issue and being in a different role off the bench. He should be fully healthy now. Both Rose and Noah should be stronger next season than they were at any time this season.


Please know your facts. Noah first injured his shoulder on 12/21 which is about two months into season , missed a week and then missed nine games before reinjuring it upon his return in early January. His accumulated stats had nothing to do with the injured shoulder other than missed games. To further your knowledge on his role, he lost his starting job to Mirkovic because Hoiberg felt that the pairing with Gasol was not working. In 15-16, Bulls were 4 pts better on O without Noah and the same defensively with or without. Im a Noah fan but those are the facts

Bulls are actually my second team as I worked and traveled to Chicago very frequently. I fully know what has gone own with them. Your talk about his stats last year being affected by shoulder is nonsense. He played in only three games after his initial injury and his game vs Philly was one of his best before reinjury. Wish guys would know what they are talking about before challenging. Both Noah and Rose should have better seasons but dont expect them to be elite even with good health
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7/1/2016  8:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2016  8:53 PM
The chemistry on that bulls team last season was not the same as it was with Tom thibs. Both of these guys are big time risk, let just hope the knicks staff did their home work, Or phil can just bury is president hat, and stick his head in the sand
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7/1/2016  8:52 PM
VCoug wrote:People keep on talking about the shoulder injury Noah had as an explanation of why he was so bad last year. Noah dislocated his shoulder in January and missed the rest of the season; I can't find anything about a shoulder injury prior that would explain his ****ty play up to that point.

Correct. First hurt it 12/21, missed nine games then came back to play 3 games in January before reinjury. Bulls were already lessening his role and it became apparent before the injury that they were likely parting ways
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7/1/2016  8:57 PM
meloanyk wrote:
VCoug wrote:People keep on talking about the shoulder injury Noah had as an explanation of why he was so bad last year. Noah dislocated his shoulder in January and missed the rest of the season; I can't find anything about a shoulder injury prior that would explain his ****ty play up to that point.

Correct. First hurt it 12/21, missed nine games then came back to play 3 games in January before reinjury. Bulls were already lessening his role and it became apparent before the injury that they were likely parting ways

Thanks. I saw you posted the same info just before I made my post.

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7/1/2016  8:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The chemistry on that bulls team last season was not the same it was with Tom thibs. Both of these guys are big time risk, let just hope the knicks staff did their home work.

That was the perception but not necessarily true as some players felt he was too intense and demanding. Noah complained to the front office that he ran them too hard in practices. He had the respect but not the support of all and that doomed his return
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7/1/2016  9:28 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The chemistry on that bulls team last season was not the same as it was with Tom thibs. Both of these guys are big time risk, let just hope the knicks staff did their home work, Or phil can just bury is president hat, and stick his head in the sand

I do think the reward is greater than the risk next year. Both will come in healthy and rested especially Noah and both will be reenergized by fresh starts. Last year both were passive aggressive at times. Rose escapes the awkward tension with Butler and Noah will be happily starting not subbing, Both will be received well at MSG and fans will love Noah's demonstrative ways. There is a curve of diminishing returns with older players especially those that have had injuries. I do expect Noah to decline some each year. Wish deal was for three but he could still contribute in fourth if he remains healthy. Rose is still relatively young but see risk in a pricey extension. Will they stay healthy? They have to be monitored. All players can be injured but statistically those that have been previousy injured having a greater chance of being injured again. I will root for both despite my trade reservations
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7/1/2016  9:55 PM
meloanyk wrote:
VCoug wrote:People keep on talking about the shoulder injury Noah had as an explanation of why he was so bad last year. Noah dislocated his shoulder in January and missed the rest of the season; I can't find anything about a shoulder injury prior that would explain his ****ty play up to that point.

Correct. First hurt it 12/21, missed nine games then came back to play 3 games in January before reinjury. Bulls were already lessening his role and it became apparent before the injury that they were likely parting ways

No one was suggesting it was just one thing that was causing issues for Noah last year. There a long list of issues that he was dealing with some health and others the new role. The point remains the same, it's not unrealistic to expect that he can have a bounce back season for the Knicks.
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7/1/2016  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2016  10:28 PM
nixluva wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
VCoug wrote:People keep on talking about the shoulder injury Noah had as an explanation of why he was so bad last year. Noah dislocated his shoulder in January and missed the rest of the season; I can't find anything about a shoulder injury prior that would explain his ****ty play up to that point.

Correct. First hurt it 12/21, missed nine games then came back to play 3 games in January before reinjury. Bulls were already lessening his role and it became apparent before the injury that they were likely parting ways

No one was suggesting it was just one thing that was causing issues for Noah last year. There a long list of issues that he was dealing with some health and others the new role. The point remains the same, it's not unrealistic to expect that he can have a bounce back season for the Knicks.

Noah plays through injuries anyway.....So I would expect him to come out energized and play most (not all) games next season....Same with Rose, who wants that Conley contract....Melo counting his years, and knows this is his best shot.....KP forming into a legit super star, learning from these guys, especially Noah. I'm not sure how anybody could be pessimistic now.....I can understand IF Lopez and Calderon was still around.....Then I would understand all the negative threads.....But damn, look what we had last year and look what we have now (just on paper). It's crazy....

Injuries will be key and JH seems to be on it already, with his reduced minutes style on these vets. This team is built for a playoff run, not the regular season!

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7/1/2016  11:05 PM
Don't worry guys, a new change in scenery will reinvigorate their bodies and Rose, Noah, Melo, and Gordon will all turn back the clock 5 years and we'll get everyone's peak performance! KP's game and body will age 5 years to his prime self just by Zen magic and coincide to form Knicks Voltron for 2016!

We can't possibly lose now! Forget reality, forget advanced statistics, Zen is all we need.
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7/1/2016  11:08 PM
Gotta look at roses last 30 games. That is the potential.
We'll worry about next year, next year.
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7/1/2016  11:10 PM
A change in scenery is all that Curry, Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Randolph, Rose and Noah need.
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7/1/2016  11:13 PM
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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7/1/2016  11:14 PM
Nalod wrote:Gotta look at roses last 30 games. That is the potential.
We'll worry about next year, next year.

It's not Rose we're worrying about, we have an out with him.

It's the potential of paying Noah and Gordon multiple years guaranteed without an out if they get injured as usual.

Then we're stuck with $30m in salary when we could've spent it next year when the Westbrooks, Curry, Lowry, CP3, Greek Freak, Hayward are all available.
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7/1/2016  11:15 PM
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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