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CashMoney
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7/1/2016  4:32 PM
Call me crazy but I'm excited and don't get the negativity but some over the moves.

Rose improved greatly towards the end of last year. He has something to prove and is playing for another payday. If he blows we say bye bye and we gave up nothing worth of any value. People calling Grant a loss are probably the same people who were calling J Lin an up and coming all star.

Not official but looks like Noah is NYC bound. Tough, gritty, play off battled tested player who brings a 90's Knicks I'll clothesline you if you come down the line type of guy. Didn't play much last year but to me it means he's rested and had a chance to heal up.

Looks like Gordon is coming. Injury prone as well but who isn't these days.

The bottom line is that Melo has 2-3 years left of balling left in him and whether you like it or hate it, he's here to stay! It's time to make a run.

C - Noah
PF - Kristaps
SF - Melo
SG - Gordon
PG - Rose

Plus whatever else we add is much better than where we were unless we have people who enjoy 30 win seasons.

LETS GO KNICKS!!!!

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7/1/2016  4:42 PM
Ignore the Sour Puss fans and media. If you like the team just enjoy the upcoming season.

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7/1/2016  4:54 PM
It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.
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7/1/2016  4:57 PM
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
nixluva
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7/1/2016  5:02 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.
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7/1/2016  5:08 PM
CashMoney wrote:Call me crazy but I'm excited and don't get the negativity but some over the moves.

...

The bottom line is that Melo has 2-3 years left of balling left in him and whether you like it or hate it, he's here to stay! It's time to make a run.

C - Noah
PF - Kristaps
SF - Melo
SG - Gordon
PG - Rose

Plus whatever else we add is much better than where we were unless we have people who enjoy 30 win seasons.

LETS GO KNICKS!!!!

Agree 100% - and we have Willy H coming over, which could be the hands down "underrated move of the year".

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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7/1/2016  5:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/1/2016  5:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2016  5:16 PM
Nah....would rather see a healthy D-League caliber back court win 17 games. Lol. Yeah, will be fun watching the new cast. Fingers crossed for a healthy year and hope we have enough money left for some kind of bench.
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7/1/2016  5:14 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


He also failed to include the contracts those players were getting after they caught the "injury bug". Steph is underpaid now because he took a below market deal at the time. Most of those players had to perform well a season or two in order to get a modest payday.
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HofstraBBall wrote:Nah....would rather see a healthy D-League caliber back court win 17 games. Lol. Yeah, will be fun watching the new cast. Fingers crossed for a healthyear year and hope we have enough money left for some kind of bench.

why can't we assume that we will get a draymond green type? Seems just as far fetched.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/1/2016  5:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


Why must you always exaggerate to try and make your point seem more important? I just listed a group of players that successfully overcame injury issues. It does and can happen. ACL's, Meniscus, Shoulder Dislocations... Players have been able to overcome such injuries. It's a risk but not a guarantee of failure. The upside for this team is immense. That's why you take the risk.

The key is going to be making sure the team has quality depth and that they don't overwork these players. MOST injury is the result of pushing thru fatigue. If you lighten the work load and make sure of proper rest much of the risk can be reduced.
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7/1/2016  5:29 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


Why must you always exaggerate to try and make your point seem more important? I just listed a group of players that successfully overcame injury issues. It does and can happen. ACL's, Meniscus, Shoulder Dislocations... Players have been able to overcome such injuries. It's a risk but not a guarantee of failure. The upside for this team is immense. That's why you take the risk.

The key is going to be making sure the team has quality depth and that they don't overwork these players. MOST injury is the result of pushing thru fatigue. If you lighten the work load and make sure of proper rest much of the risk can be reduced.

you missed the point ... see yellows post above

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/1/2016  5:30 PM
Your crazy.

Seriously, this is 2012 held together by Elmer's glue team once again. And don't tell me about the age, oh Rose is only 27 yada yada. These guys injury history speak for themselves.

Gordon, trick please. You know how his season will end. In street clothes.

And if your counting on 31 year old rapidly declining Noah to be our defensive and spiritual anchor, I have a McDyess Houston Amare bridge to sell you.
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7/1/2016  6:05 PM
People like to be haters no matter what, even for the team they root for. I mean Porzingis was getting booed like crazy. Now everyone is kissing his ass (including that annoying little brat kid from draft night)

I cheered Porzingis from the beginning bc he was on my team. Remember buying his jersey during Knicks summer league and the guy at modells thought I was nuts.

That being said I'm not disillusioned and been through all the crap with team.
But I do like the moves (potential moves) obviously injuries is the main risk but sometimes you have to take a risk to be great. This team has the potential to be very good with the potential of being great.

Let's see what this team does on the court before we start exuding negativity.
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7/1/2016  6:07 PM
I'm oddly and shamely optimistic if we land gordon, keep Lance, and sign a couple solid bench players. I know I'm going to regret getting my hopes up...
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7/1/2016  8:24 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


Why must you always exaggerate to try and make your point seem more important? I just listed a group of players that successfully overcame injury issues. It does and can happen. ACL's, Meniscus, Shoulder Dislocations... Players have been able to overcome such injuries. It's a risk but not a guarantee of failure. The upside for this team is immense. That's why you take the risk.

The key is going to be making sure the team has quality depth and that they don't overwork these players. MOST injury is the result of pushing thru fatigue. If you lighten the work load and make sure of proper rest much of the risk can be reduced.

Lol, you name checked 4 guys; Durant had one injury not multiple injuries over multiple years and Grant Hill and Shaun Livingston had their HOF-potential careers ruined. When they did back, after missing years with injuries, they were only solid backup players on good teams. And it's not as if our training staff has a stellar track record.

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stanleybostitch wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Call me crazy but I'm excited and don't get the negativity but some over the moves.

...

The bottom line is that Melo has 2-3 years left of balling left in him and whether you like it or hate it, he's here to stay! It's time to make a run.

C - Noah
PF - Kristaps
SF - Melo
SG - Gordon
PG - Rose

Plus whatever else we add is much better than where we were unless we have people who enjoy 30 win seasons.

LETS GO KNICKS!!!!

Agree 100% - and we have Willy H coming over, which could be the hands down "underrated move of the year".

This. Also, I am excited about the Hornacek hire.
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VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


Why must you always exaggerate to try and make your point seem more important? I just listed a group of players that successfully overcame injury issues. It does and can happen. ACL's, Meniscus, Shoulder Dislocations... Players have been able to overcome such injuries. It's a risk but not a guarantee of failure. The upside for this team is immense. That's why you take the risk.

The key is going to be making sure the team has quality depth and that they don't overwork these players. MOST injury is the result of pushing thru fatigue. If you lighten the work load and make sure of proper rest much of the risk can be reduced.

Lol, you name checked 4 guys; Durant had one injury not multiple injuries over multiple years and Grant Hill and Shaun Livingston had their HOF-potential careers ruined. When they did back, after missing years with injuries, they were only solid backup players on good teams. And it's not as if our training staff has a stellar track record.

Quick check. Durant has a history of problems with his Jones fracture. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.sbnation.com/2015/3/20/8265889/kevin-durant-complete-injury-timeline-foot-thunder&ved=0ahUKEwiZuo_-y9PNAhVM1CYKHRFoD98QFgggMAE&usg=AFQjCNFtBgOB0XyCeYkoJz9oeeS2Dk2HTA

Plus he admitted he had a second fracture on the same foot http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2547417-kevin-durant-reveals-unknown-bone-break-in-foot-but-says-hes-healthy-now#

And second, when was Shaun Livingston ever considered a potential future hall of famer?

Don't mean to get in the middle of your argument but i do not think you are being factually correct.

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joec32033 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It will be fun to say the least. Assuming we get either Gordon or Lee, i would go to war with that team against anyone in a 7 game series and think we would be the 2nd best team in the east come playoff time. Getting to that point is the challenge with health, but if they take care of their bodies and don't play heavy minutes, it could be good. No doubt this group is tough as nails and will step up when needed.

was rose healthy last year?

they can be a very exciting team if everything goes perfectly but the risk factor is enormous.


There's ALWAYS risk!!! You can't determine who will have a freak injury or not with 100% accuracy. There was a time not too long ago when some where worried Steph was never gonna stay healthy. Worried Durant was a health risk!!! Livingston should never have made it back. Grant Hill was a wreck for years. Remember that??? Players do recover sometimes and you have to allow that they can overcome injury issues.

oy vey! they are not all the same risks.

This is like a 500 pound fat smoker saying "how can you predict who is gonna die? Look at bob, he is in perfect shape and never did anything unhealthy and one day, boom! dead! See? Ain't nothin wrong with being a 500 pound smoker. Gotta live and take risks cause we don't know what the plan is for us."


Why must you always exaggerate to try and make your point seem more important? I just listed a group of players that successfully overcame injury issues. It does and can happen. ACL's, Meniscus, Shoulder Dislocations... Players have been able to overcome such injuries. It's a risk but not a guarantee of failure. The upside for this team is immense. That's why you take the risk.

The key is going to be making sure the team has quality depth and that they don't overwork these players. MOST injury is the result of pushing thru fatigue. If you lighten the work load and make sure of proper rest much of the risk can be reduced.

Lol, you name checked 4 guys; Durant had one injury not multiple injuries over multiple years and Grant Hill and Shaun Livingston had their HOF-potential careers ruined. When they did back, after missing years with injuries, they were only solid backup players on good teams. And it's not as if our training staff has a stellar track record.

Quick check. Durant has a history of problems with his Jones fracture. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.sbnation.com/2015/3/20/8265889/kevin-durant-complete-injury-timeline-foot-thunder&ved=0ahUKEwiZuo_-y9PNAhVM1CYKHRFoD98QFgggMAE&usg=AFQjCNFtBgOB0XyCeYkoJz9oeeS2Dk2HTA

Plus he admitted he had a second fracture on the same foot http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2547417-kevin-durant-reveals-unknown-bone-break-in-foot-but-says-hes-healthy-now#

And second, when was Shaun Livingston ever considered a potential future hall of famer?

Don't mean to get in the middle of your argument but i do not think you are being factually correct.

Maybe I was wrong about Durant but everyone thought Livingston was going to be a superstar before his injury.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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