His numbers suck, but if the Knicks can land him somehow, he's only 23 and at $8m per, would be the only reasonable contract the Knicks dole out this summer.

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Keep in mind, Grant came into the league as a 23 year old, and Austin has already 4 years of NBA in experience under his belt. These are the types of contracts that are smart ones, but unfortunately we have to wait for the dumb ones first (Noah and Gordon/Lee/Insert Mediocre Shooting Guard).

fishmike wrote:Rivers really sucks. Rather resign our own guys with the money.

Which backup PG's can we resign? We traded our backup Grant to get Studly Rose already. Only recourse is to sign a free agent backup, and you'll have to pay and arm and leg for a decent one. $8m for 23 year old Rivers is chump change for a guard in 2016. And Galloway is less of a point than Rivers, so.

Thanks genius Phil!

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Rivers really sucks. Rather resign our own guys with the money.

Which backup PG's can we resign? We traded our backup Grant to get Studly Rose already. Only recourse is to sign a free agent backup, and you'll have to pay and arm and leg for a decent one. $8m for 23 year old Rivers is chump change for a guard in 2016. And Galloway is less of a point than Rivers, so.

Thanks genius Phil!

Galloway is a better player and wont cost $8mm. Run Roberts out there. Save the $8mm for a guy who will actually have an impact on the floor.

If you wait and see what is left when the dust settles there will be other better options than Rivers for $8mm

Honestly, I wished the Knicks did just that in the first place. Just wait until all the team bust out of their money, then sign all table scraps this year, rather than overpay all these bums they're going to sign.

Just wait out the storm, then sign like 5 or 6 free agents flexible 1 or 2 year deals, a MLE here, a vet minimum here...whatever it takes to add up to 90% of the cap. PLAY HARD TANK HARD, get a top 5 pick, then go ALL IN Free Agency next year with the likes of Westbrook, Greek Freak, and Gordon Hayward available.

Not this bullshyt dog and pony show that's going on with the Revenant of Joakim Noah and possibly Eric Gord-ass.

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Dude, you realize that we have to spend this money. We are contractually obligated. I'mean a bit surprised by the excitement over Rivers but if for 8 mil that works in this insanity even though I'may not a huge fan of his.

I'm not a fan of his either, but I'd rather the Knicks spend it on younger healthy vets like for example 4 or 5 guys making the bulk of the $30m the Knicks are going to spend on Noah and Gordon.

Either they pan out or they're flexible trade chips and you can escape them rather easily. Noah and Gordon, you have the hope the other team doctor got their degree in Kazakhstan.

Basically if the numbers come out for Noah and Gordon, and both are locked into 4 year guaranteed contracts....WE'RE PHUCKED BIG TIME! Only have Rose's expiring contract to climb out from for next year's superior free agency bash, and that's not enough to compete in today's NBA.

I suspect we will be in the tier 1 cap bracket in 2017. They have to move to tiers. That would give us a 10-12% cushion over whatever the new cap increase is plus Rose. I understand your Rivers logic but would sooner gamble on other young players and less cost. I know I'm talking about something that doesn't currently exist but I assume they will go to a model that allows for negotiations and eliminates the tax loophole. It's embarrassing that the same teams are always in the running bc they offer effectively higher salaries. It is also a huge problem for lower tier guys that you have interest in. The money is more significant to those guys.

Finestrg wrote:You know what -- I'd be OK with Austin Rivers at $8mm/yr (3 yrs/$24mm, 4 yrs/$32mm?). Why not? See, I'd rather take a chance on a guy like this at a reasonable cost than add a more expensive, win-now older SG like Courtney Lee or the equally expensive Eric Gordon who's always hurt and may only shoot 41% from the floor. I know Rivers hasn't done much in the NBA yet (and for his own father the past couple of years no less), but he's still intriguing: young, obviously talented (way more talented than Langston Galloway--come on, that's not even close), can play both guard spots like ChuckBuck said and the price is so much better than money we're talking about with Lee & Gordon. I gotta believe this guy's best days are still ahead of him...See now if we would've just gotten another quality PG from the 2nd round of this draft/undrafted pool, I would've been feeling real good -- something like Rose/Rivers/Cat Barber, Rose/Rivers/Gary Payton II, Rose/Rivers/Yogi Ferrell -- that's the adequate level of depth and talent at PG I wanna see them add. All I was looking for was to go +2 deep at the point behind Rose and not break the bank doing it. Still time to put something like this together I guess...Rivers could get a lot of time swinging between both guard positions and then maybe we add some quality cheap talent to fortify at SG -- i.e. Terrico White (who was TERRIFIC in the DL this past season--not even sure anyone's picked him up for SL. That's crazy), Jabari Brown, Thanasis, etc., and then have about $5mm left over to use on bringing Willy over and whatever else. That's not bad.

And it's not even about Austin Rivers....it's the example of this type of player or free agents we should targeting. Like the Tyler Johnsons, Jerryd Bayless, Gerald Greens and Gerald Henderson and Randy Foye types that can make it interesting without jeopardizing those valuable lottery balls.

Young, hungry, flexible contract vets to fill out the roster. Because I hope the majority of you posters don't think Rose, Gordon, Melo, KP, Noah equals ring....it might not even win the division.

Set yourself up for 2017 is the smart thing. Compete compete, show off the new Horny offense compete compete, go into stacked 2017 NBA draft and pick a stud and sign 2 max free agents right after.

Of course PHUCK ALL THAT! LET'S MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR, WOO HOOO!!!!