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Knicks’ most pivotal free-agent move: Find a center
Updated June 29, 2016 3:55 PM
By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

WINTER GARDEN, Fla. — Phil Jackson has already made one big offseason acquisition, but the Knicks president’s work this summer has only just begun.

Landing Derrick Rose in a trade with the Bulls addressed the Knicks’ need for a dynamic point guard. They still have many holes, and only five players under contract, so Jackson will be busy when free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Friday. Teams can start signing players July 7.

The Knicks’ biggest needs are starting center and shooting guard. But new coach Jeff Hornacek said a big man is the priority after the Knicks sent Robin Lopez to Chicago in the Rose deal.

“They’re both pretty important,” Hornacek said following the Knicks’ summer league practice Wednesday. “I think definitely we need an experienced big in there. We need an experienced [shooting guard] too, but the two-guard spot probably we should be able to find someone. We have enough scorers.

“We need a guy at the two spot who can help to run the offense. Maybe get some kick-out threes. We don’t necessarily need a two-man who can create a bunch of plays because we should have guys who are able to do that. So if you look at it that way, maybe the five-man might be a little bit more important now.”

The Knicks should have between $30 million and $35 million to spend in free agency, and they’ll have to spread it around with all the roster spots they have to fill.

They will try to get a meeting with Kevin Durant, but they’re considered long shots to sign the Oklahoma City All-Star. The list of centers on the market includes Joakim Noah, Pau Gasol, Hassan Whiteside, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Timofey Mozgov and Bismack Biyombo.

Hornacek said that he wants the Knicks to be a “top 10” team defensively, and he’s looking for someone to play alongside Kristaps Porzingis to give them “two guys who can cover a lot of ground.”

Rose said in his introductory news conference last week that he wants to play with Noah, his former Bulls teammate, in New York. Noah, 31, is active defensively, a good rebounder and rim protector, which are what the Knicks need from their big man. They appear to be a good fit for each other. But Noah is expected to be wooed by the Wizards and Timberwolves also.

Howard would fit too, but the Knicks have to be smart not to overpay him at this stage of the 30-year-old’s career. Mozgov would be a good option, and a much cheaper one, if the Knicks miss out on Noah.

Gasol played for Jackson with the Lakers, but he’s expected to go to a contender such as the Spurs or Warriors. Whiteside will get big-money offers from the Mavericks and Heat, among others. Horford will be in demand too, and can get the most money from the Hawks, who hope to re-sign him. Bi yombo may return to Toronto.

The Knicks know they need to find a shooting guard who can make teams pay for when they focus their defensive attention on Carmelo Anthony or Rose. As of now, Hornacek might be the best shooter on the team.

“I hope not,” Hornacek said.

Teams are playing smaller now, so having multiple shooters or versatile wing players is critical to success.

Some of the free-agent shooting guards/small forwards include Nicolas Batum, Kent Bazemore, Courtney Lee, Evan Turner, Gerald Henderson Jamal Crawford and Eric Gordon. Their asking prices will vary considerably with Batum possibly getting a max deal to the more affordable Lee and Henderson.

“A lot of teams have money to spend,” Hornacek said. “We have a pretty good amount, it sounds like. Hopefully we can get a player or two that’ll really help us.”

The Knicks could shore up the perimeter/wing by bringing back some of their own free agents. Jackson has said he expects to re-sign Langston Galloway and Lance Thomas. Derrick Williams is another possibility. Cleanthony Early, who is on the summer league team, said he hopes to re-sign with the Knicks.

Potential Knicks Targets

1. Kevin Durant, F, Thunder: The Knicks weren’t one of the six teams that he granted an initial meeting with, but Durant has spent time with Carmelo Anthony, so some recruiting has been done. A chance to win a ring will be Durant’s top priority, making the Knicks a long shot and the Thunder, Warriors and Spurs the favorites, but Phil Jackson still has to make a call.

2. Joakim Noah, C, Bulls: The Knicks have a realistic shot at getting the former Defensive Player of the Year. Noah is from New York, he’s good friends with old teammate Derrick Rose, and two years ago he tried to recruit Anthony to Chicago prior to his free agency. The Knicks need defense, toughness and rebounding. Noah can provide all three, but he will have many suitors.

3. Dwight Howard, C, Rockets: His career and reputation are both on the decline, and he might be seeking a long-term contract for near-max money. As a defender and rebounder, he would be a decent fit if they can’t get Noah, but the Knicks shouldn’t give him too many years and should consider the negative effect he’s had on his teams recently.

4. Timofey Mozgov, C, Cavaliers: The Knicks are looking for a rim protector. Their scouts know and like Mozgov, a former Knick who isn’t a bad fall-back option.

5. Nicolas Batum, F, Hornets: The versatile Frenchman will be a sought-after free agent and likely will get a massive contract. Batum checks all the boxes of what the Knicks — and many teams — want: He can shoot, play multiple positions and he’s a playmaker. Charlotte hopes to keep him, but it will face heavy competition.

6. Kent Bazemore, G-F, Hawks: Another versatile player who can shoot, Bazemore would fit in well in the triangle offense or Jeff Hornacek’s up-tempo system that relies heavily on three-pointers. Bazemore is a good defender. The Hawks have made re-signing him a priority though.

7. Evan Turner, G-F, Celtics: Turner also is the type of long wing player that Jackson likes, but he isn’t a great three-point shooter (30.5 percent from three-point range in his career). His mid-range game is good and he has been a consistent performer for the Celtics the last two seasons.

8. Courtney Lee, G, Hornets: Lee could be a cheaper alternative at shooting guard to start or come off the bench. He’s not a high-volume three-point shooter, but he’s a career 38.4-percent shooter from deep, a solid defender on the perimeter and true professional.

9. Jamal Crawford, G, Clippers: Crawford wants to return to New York, and would definitely provide scoring off the bench, which is something the Knicks need. He also can play some point guard. But he should draw interest from contending teams.

10. Gerald Henderson, G, Blazers: Similar to Courtney Lee, and two years younger. Henderson, 28, has been a better scorer than Lee, but he’s not a long-range shooter. Still, Henderson could help the Knicks and perhaps at a discounted rate than other shooting guards.

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6/29/2016  4:45 PM
This sounds like a solid plan. Very doable and affordable. Not sexy so I expect SAS and some fans to scream as usual.

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6/29/2016  4:56 PM
nixluva wrote:This sounds like a solid plan. Very doable and affordable. Not sexy so I expect SAS and some fans to scream as usual.

I'd be fine with that - this year's FA is going to be difficult due to all the money available. I don't honestly think you can do better. I would however strongly consider just maxing out Al Horford

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6/29/2016  5:09 PM
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:This sounds like a solid plan. Very doable and affordable. Not sexy so I expect SAS and some fans to scream as usual.

I'd be fine with that - this year's FA is going to be difficult due to all the money available. I don't honestly think you can do better. I would however strongly consider just maxing out Al Horford

The problem with Horford is his price range. I suspect they don't want to commit that much money to the position long term.

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6/29/2016  5:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  5:18 PM
If he's talking defense and covering ground then Whiteside is the guy... he did say veteran so that's Noah....

Seems Horny and Phil are on the same page. It starts from up top. We seem to be top heavy.

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6/29/2016  5:25 PM
Noah be a sexy sign, Lee a pragmatic one, both efficient and productive players in filling areas of needs. A healthy Noah fits nicely next to KP and Lee be a good complement to Rose's skillset. If deals were reasonable in terms of $ and length then thumbs up for both or either as they'd fit
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6/29/2016  5:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  5:34 PM
If we sign Noah and hes hurt 25 games in--then we deserve what we get--no excuses there--its plain and simple to see hes been on his way down. Id rather give the money to Pau Gasol hes played most of his games--hes a very good rebounder/passer and I feel we know what we are going to get Noah is a real wild card more so than Amare when we got him. With Rose Noah and Carmelo--really you are asking for it . Team will not make 82 games I guarantee it--we will win 35 games again. Well atleast e have our pick.
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6/29/2016  5:51 PM
nixluva wrote:This sounds like a solid plan. Very doable and affordable. Not sexy so I expect SAS and some fans to scream as usual.

Very solid plan. Hopefully we can secure these 2 players quickly and let the market settle then fill out the rest of the roster.

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6/29/2016  6:32 PM
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:This sounds like a solid plan. Very doable and affordable. Not sexy so I expect SAS and some fans to scream as usual.

Very solid plan. Hopefully we can secure these 2 players quickly and let the market settle then fill out the rest of the roster.


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6/29/2016  6:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  6:37 PM
Great find.

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6/29/2016  6:39 PM
Lee is just another version of AA with possibly slightly better defensive skills. He was a good pick up last year based on his salary but he is an average to below average player who will turn 31 before the reg season starts. He is a pretty good shooter but he doesn't shoot the 3ball enough to make a real impact. He needs to be at double the 3PAs he usually avg.
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BRIGGS wrote:If we sign Noah and hes hurt 25 games in--then we deserve what we get--no excuses there--its plain and simple to see hes been on his way down. Id rather give the money to Pau Gasol hes played most of his games--hes a very good rebounder/passer and I feel we know what we are going to get Noah is a real wild card more so than Amare when we got him. With Rose Noah and Carmelo--really you are asking for it . Team will not make 82 games I guarantee it--we will win 35 games again. Well atleast e have our pick.

Come on Man! No one can really predict health. Even guys you think are reliable can get a freak injury at any time. There would be no guarantees if we went with Conley and Moz either. Any combination of players would not give you any guarantee of health.

IMO fatigue is the biggest source of injury to athletes. The Knicks will have enough depth to keep Melo's, Noah's and Rose's minutes in check. The more talent you have the less they all have to do. Just think about how the team will function at a higher level and how that can lead to some big wins where they don't have to play starters in 4th quarters against weak teams.

One thing in Noah's favor is that he only played 29 games last year due to the Shoulder Dislocation. That should give him fresh legs for next season. He got to rehab and build up conditioning. By next season he should be in the best shape he's been in years.

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6/29/2016  6:44 PM
I need a vacation from this free agent stuff lol....
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yellowboy90 wrote:Lee is just another version of AA with possibly slightly better defensive skills. He was a good pick up last year based on his salary but he is an average to below average player who will turn 31 before the reg season starts. He is a pretty good shooter but he doesn't shoot the 3ball enough to make a real impact. He needs to be at double the 3PAs he usually avg.

It seems to me that if you don't like many of the options, it makes sense to get a Stop Gap player who can get the job done. This is not about fixing every single spot all in one offseason. That may not be possible. So you hold the fort until next summer. Phil tends to leave himself cap flexibility every summer.

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6/29/2016  9:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  9:27 PM
May be we can go to Rent-A-Center instead, we already went to Rent-A-PG
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6/29/2016  9:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  9:47 PM
Noah is recruiting Courtney Lee? You gotta love what the Zen master is doing! I'll bet that they both sign for less than market value too so that we can sign a third free agent too. We're going to have a really good team this year guys.
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6/29/2016  11:04 PM
reub wrote:Noah is recruiting Courtney Lee? You gotta love what the Zen master is doing! I'll bet that they both sign for less than market value too so that we can sign a third free agent too. We're going to have a really good team this year guys.

Agents talk to teams early and i'm sure Phil and Noah's Agent came to an agreement on price. Otherwise why would Noah be trying to get Lee to come to NY with him, if the rumors are to be believed. It's very simple and easy moves that fit the team's needs and don't mess up the future.

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6/29/2016  11:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  11:20 PM
Afflalo was not a bad signing. Neither would be Lee. You look at last years team, the problem was a lack of an attacking ball handling guard and lack of speed and flow in the offense. Lopez was a good signing. Afflalo had some monster games for us, especially when the team was playing .500 ball

The problem with Afflalo stood out because he was paired with Jose. He certainly had holes in his game, but he was a solid signing. All of Phil Jacksons bigger moves last summer were solid from Lopez to Williams to Afflalo. I am surprised so many forget how many times we yearned for just a decent level starting point guard so that we could be more balanced and able to atfack teams.

That said, if we sign Noah and Lee. That's solid but nothing that will put us in contention. We are likely anywhere from a 4th to 7th seed in the East IF Rose, Melo and Porzingis all play 65 games or more. I also do not see a star jumping on to that team in a year.

I am hoping Jackson sticks with what he did last summer IF he can not sign Durant or a top FA. Go with players 27 or younger on bargain deals. Or bargain deals. Looking back at it now Lopez, Afflalo, Williams were all really good bargains Jackson got. He even got younger players in Seraphin and OQuinn pretty cheap. Should stick with that plan. We got our main core in Rose, Melo, KP. Get young players who are on quality contracts around them or a star player who can put them in contention. IF we get Noah, hope it's on a bargain deal. Something like what RoLo got. The ceiling I put on Noah's deal is $15M for 17-18. If that's the hit, it allows the Knicks to keep Rose if healthy and focus on adding a high quality free agent in the summer. Tyreke Evans and JJ Redick will be free agents in 2017. Can solidify the 2 guard position next summer.

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6/30/2016  12:29 AM
Rose certainly attacks the rim and hopefully will convert more. KP will learn to follow and clean up .That was definitely missing last year from Calderon though he was still an above average outside shooter while Rose is simply a mediocre outside shooter. Best complement to Rose is a 3 and D like a Lee . Hornachek is right about priorities If you replace Lopez with a healthy Noah @ 2/30 then Knicks are improved at 2 spots as he'll bring even more grit, rebounding and D at a minimal increase in cost.
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nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo was not a bad signing. Neither would be Lee. You look at last years team, the problem was a lack of an attacking ball handling guard and lack of speed and flow in the offense. Lopez was a good signing. Afflalo had some monster games for us, especially when the team was playing .500 ball

The problem with Afflalo stood out because he was paired with Jose. He certainly had holes in his game, but he was a solid signing. All of Phil Jacksons bigger moves last summer were solid from Lopez to Williams to Afflalo. I am surprised so many forget how many times we yearned for just a decent level starting point guard so that we could be more balanced and able to atfack teams.

That said, if we sign Noah and Lee. That's solid but nothing that will put us in contention. We are likely anywhere from a 4th to 7th seed in the East IF Rose, Melo and Porzingis all play 65 games or more. I also do not see a star jumping on to that team in a year.

I am hoping Jackson sticks with what he did last summer IF he can not sign Durant or a top FA. Go with players 27 or younger on bargain deals. Or bargain deals. Looking back at it now Lopez, Afflalo, Williams were all really good bargains Jackson got. He even got younger players in Seraphin and OQuinn pretty cheap. Should stick with that plan. We got our main core in Rose, Melo, KP. Get young players who are on quality contracts around them or a star player who can put them in contention. IF we get Noah, hope it's on a bargain deal. Something like what RoLo got. The ceiling I put on Noah's deal is $15M for 17-18. If that's the hit, it allows the Knicks to keep Rose if healthy and focus on adding a high quality free agent in the summer. Tyreke Evans and JJ Redick will be free agents in 2017. Can solidify the 2 guard position next summer.

I agree with your takes on Afflalo and Lee. One difference, I think Afflalo thought of himself as a go to guy on offense, an iso guy that could get buckets. He played that way but his skill level wasn't high enough. Lee can step up and score but that hasn't appeared to be his primary mindset. He plays more in the flow of an offense. That suits a line up with Rose, Melo and KP in it in my opinion.
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