Posted by BigSm00th:

In all the reports I've seen, he's not in the deal. Hopefully it stays that way, and the Knicks can run a 3-guard rotation of Stef, Jamal, and Frank (I'm planning on Houston being hurt.)

Yeah, I was just gonna say that too about Frank not being in the reported deal

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BigSm00th:

In all the reports I've seen, he's not in the deal. Hopefully it stays that way, and the Knicks can run a 3-guard rotation of Stef, Jamal, and Frank (I'm planning on Houston being hurt.)

Yeah, I was just gonna say that too about Frank not being in the reported deal

The deal that doesn't include F-Will supposedly is of Deke, Moochie and cash for Craw and JYD, but does the contracts really sum up to make it possible? It looks like it lacks more components.

probably in a damp trade. i do like him, but hopefully he is.

With Dallas apparently set to acquire Terry, looks like they don't really need a PG right now.

What Toronto deal are you refering to--- the one where we trade Frank Williams straightup for Vince Carter? :) But seriously... I wonder just how many deals we have in the works.

Hmm... Golden State has Fisher/Speedy @ PG. I think FW could be at least as good as Fisher if he ever got a shot.

Atlanta looks like they'll need a PG, but they barely have anything tradeable left on their roster.

Posted by Allanfan20:

I really really liked the guy, and hoped he would reach his top potential, as a NY Knick. If he gets traded to Chicago, then he might not even be guaranteed a lot of playing time with Gordon, Heinrick and all those guards. He he stays in NY, but Crawford comes anyway, he's playing very little, each game. Meaning, he most certainly has to be traded, b/c a guy with his talent needs to get playing time. I hope, for his sake, he gets traded to a good team, where he will get the opportunity to be a nice solid PG, for a fair number of minutes, like he deserves. Of course he needs to polish his game a lot more, but he's still nice, despite being way imperfect. He was a good Knick last season, and no matter where he plays, I will root him on.

I just keep remembering back to that 10 game stretch or so when Frank was getting big minutes and producing. Flashes of brilliance at least once a game. KVH was on fire for the same period, and the Knicks may have been playing against some mediocre team, but Frank was nice. A real pass-first PG.

IMO, I think people of grossly underestimating Frank's talents. Proverbial diamond in the rough.

I hope he stays.

Him not seeing time is based on the premise that Allan Houston will be healthy. I have huge doubts (reports a few weeks ago said his knee was still extremely painful and when he was on Celebrity Jeopardy a month or so ago he said he still couldn't dunk).

I'm going to guess that Houston will play maybe half the season. I think that's a nice estimation, given his age and how his knee healed last year. If he's healtheir and plays more, maybe Isiah goes out and deals him, but as of now, with the deal the Knicks are doing, let's pretend Houston's out (and that Frank is traded).

PG: Marbury
SG: Crawford, Penny
SF: TThomas, Anderson

Ariza, from all I saw at the summer league, will be ready ultimately but to expect him to be a regular contributor from the get-go is stupid. That's not happening. With that situation, Anderson and Penny are both playing a lot, which is what I'd like to avoid.

Now, let's imagine Frank is kept (which, according to all reports, will happen), and Houston is hurt. You're looking at:

PG: Marbury, Williams
SG: Crawford, Williams
SF: TThomas, Penny

Williams can play either guard spot, an ability shared by Crawford and Marbury (and by Dumars and Isiah, which is what I think Isiah's trying to do here, get a few guards who can play either spot). That enables Penny to only play a little more than 20 minutes, and Frank should get at least 20.

"he'll be in the Damp deal or the Toronto deal"

Why would GS want him in the Damp deal? They have Claxton and Fisher both signed to multi-year, multi-million dollar deals. Mullin wanted cap relief and frontcourt players.

What Toronto deal? Carter doesn't want to be traded, he all but said that the other day. If the deal to get Carter is Williams, Sweetney, TThomas, and a first rounder (which would be the least Toronto would want), I don't even want that deal.

My money is on Williams being in a Knicks uniform this year and getting time.

Posted by daddynel:

actually smooth f.will would provide cap relief. team option for 05-06.

Say Franky is traded...what are the chances of Isiah resigning him after next season.

moreover frank is a layden pick. I don't think IT would do that. He already showed his good will by keeping sweet...

Posted by TMS:

the NY Times & the RealGM Wiretaps have Frank included in the deal

I probably wouldn't agree to the deal without Frank if I were Paxson