I think Rose true value goes beyond his performance on the court. It's his impact off the court. Tell any nba player they have a chance to play in the best city with Rose, Melo and the unicorn, and they will line up. Add to the fact that our GM has more active rings than any coach / player.....

It's an attractive place to be right now.....And people love to get on board at the beginning. So the Rose trade is better than what people think. Now fast forward to the all star break, and Rose is playing close to a high level again. There will be more trade buzz going around, and everybody that thinks they fit in will be lined up. The NBA was waiting for NY to make a splash like this.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Before you get the typical response "Another Rose Thread?"

I think Rose true value goes beyond his performance on the court. It's his impact off the court. Tell any nba player they have a chance to play in the best city with Rose, Melo and the unicorn, and they will line up. Add to the fact that our GM has more active rings than any coach / player.....

It's an attractive place to be right now.....And people love to get on board at the beginning. So the Rose trade is better than what people think. Now fast forward to the all star break, and Rose is playing close to a high level again. There will be more trade buzz going around, and everybody that thinks they fit in will be lined up. The NBA was waiting for NY to make a splash like this.

thats fine ... you seem like you feel and are betting that rose will turn it around. I personally don't think that he will and I would be (pleasantly) shocked if he does.

If we only used Rose to build our team and attract top NBA talent, then I'm happy about the trade. He doesn't have to take one step on the floor, and I'm happy. Player like to play with certain team mates, and Rose is that type of team mate others want to be around. So I'm not banking on his performance, thats the icing. The cake is his ability to attract other players just because of his name.

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Before you get the typical response "Another Rose Thread?"

I think Rose true value goes beyond his performance on the court. It's his impact off the court. Tell any nba player they have a chance to play in the best city with Rose, Melo and the unicorn, and they will line up. Add to the fact that our GM has more active rings than any coach / player.....

It's an attractive place to be right now.....And people love to get on board at the beginning. So the Rose trade is better than what people think. Now fast forward to the all star break, and Rose is playing close to a high level again. There will be more trade buzz going around, and everybody that thinks they fit in will be lined up. The NBA was waiting for NY to make a splash like this.

thats fine ... you seem like you feel and are betting that rose will turn it around. I personally don't think that he will and I would be (pleasantly) shocked if he does.

If we only used Rose to build our team and attract top NBA talent, then I'm happy about the trade. He doesn't have to take one step on the floor, and I'm happy. Player like to play with certain team mates, and Rose is that type of team mate others want to be around. So I'm not banking on his performance, thats the icing. The cake is his ability to attract other players just because of his name.

ok ... fair enough. Lets see who he attracts.

Knickoftime wrote:

blkexec wrote:Now Phil inability to attract top NBA players is something stephen A Smith talks about all the time.

Which top free agents is Stephen A Smith referring to, specifically?

Give me names.

I don't have names or have a number in mind, but in two years of being the GM, so far the count is zero! And every time SA talks about the knicks, he can't help himself to bring this up, along with Phils 40 something and 100 something record. So no marguee FA's, and enough loses to get any GM fired, all while making the 5 highest pay as a GM in the entire NBA. So I understand why SA is always upset with Phil, maybe jealous is a better word.

But I will say, adding Rose into the mix might be the ingredients Phil needs to jump start his team building recipe.

blkexec wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

blkexec wrote:Now Phil inability to attract top NBA players is something stephen A Smith talks about all the time.

Which top free agents is Stephen A Smith referring to, specifically?

Give me names.

I don't have names or have a number in mind, but in two years of being the GM, so far the count is zero! And every time SA talks about the knicks, he can't help himself to bring this up, along with Phils 40 something and 100 something record. So no marguee FA's, and enough loses to get any GM fired, all while making the 5 highest pay as a GM in the entire NBA. So I understand why SA is always upset with Phil, maybe jealous is a better word.

But I will say, adding Rose into the mix might be the ingredients Phil needs to jump start his team building recipe.

To be fair Phil was given a mess of a roster that he had to tear down.

His savings grace is drafting KP

BigRedDog wrote:I am going on record loving this trade. He is going to bring the Knicks back to a good to very good team. Will need more additions but I know we have the money and we will be getting more talent. Yes, I believe he is back close to what he was in his prime. Even if he's 85-90% back he still is the best pg the knicks have had since...Frazier? (stricland wasn't here long enough) His last 1/3rd of last season he was great. Watch the games, he is a monster still. Rainman wants to compare him to Steve Francis- crazy! Francis lost his game, talent. Saying Rose is one of the worst players in the league?? Pull your head out of your stats azz and actually watch the games for a chance. Rose still is amazing. Fans are going to love this guy. I like the combo with having JH as his coach. JH is a good offensive coach and will help bring out the best in Rose. He is only 27 yrs old! 6 months YOUNGER than Steph Curry. He is 2-3 yrs removed from his knee problems. This is the 1st offseason he has had to work on his game and get stronger, better instead of rehabbing. I know he is coming to NY to prove something. He also is a FA so he needs to play well for a contract. He is motivated! I think if he stayed in Chi. the FA situation would have caused problems but here he knows that it isn't a problem. This trade and Rose will be compared to the Knicks getting Sprewell or King. They just upped their talent level getting a star. to say this guy has no value or negative value is crazy again rainman. Also around the league players will look at the Knicks more seriously. You watch him play and no one can stay in front of him which opens things up for the whole team but esp. Carmelo and KP. He puts pressure on other pg's who have to play defense against him. He gives us finally a top PG playing against other top pg's.

To address what we gave up.. I liked Grant and was happy as other fans when we acquired him. He had a tough rookie year but should get better BUT we swapped him for Rose. Same position, don't need Grant. Rose is only 4 yrs older than Grant but 100x better. Legit PG!. Lopez was a nice signing but def. tradeable with this team. Last yr our offense was walk the ball up the floor and dump it into Lopez. AWFULL offense but it helped Lopez's stats. We are going to be a much more running team this yr and Lopez will be a square peg in a round hole. I believe we will def. replace him with either Noah, Gasol, Howard or Holford. ( we can argue the merits of each another time) So getting Noah, a past defensive player of the yr who can run the floor fits this team better. We also got back a 2nd rnd pick which should be pretty high and Holiday who as a potential player could be better than Grant and fills a need better than grant.

So how about a possible injury to Rose? A big risk but worth it in this case. We really IMO didn't give up a lot that can't be replaced. If Rose does get hurt we have protection because we have our 1st pick next yr. I know JH is going to monitor his minutes which is good. The trade opens up even more cap room in a great FA class for next yr. It gives us the freedom to go after a westbrook if we want , someone else or keep Rose.
I think some of the reason a lot of fans didn't like the trade was unreasonable expectations about the trade. People thought we should have gotten a 1st rnd pick and give up no one for a salary dump. Ridiculous! This guy is still a star. We are getting a previous MVP who is still only 27. Prepare to be amazed because the Knicks really have never had a player like this.

he doesn't defend adequately and he has had some events that force most people to look closely at his character. it's an interesting one-year experiment but i do not expect him to mesh well with melo and, more importantly, kp6. he already alluded to the nightlife in new york, and i wonder why he mentioned that. seems like a potential issue to me.

that said, on offense he has to be careful to not drive too much as that has been hell on his knees. also how much is he willing to be a triangle point guard, ie not the focal point? not much, given his ego. maybe hornacek gets as much out of him trying to push the ball for easier transition baskets before settling into the triangle. you do know he is not a very good pick and roll guard, right? and that he has the chronically bad habit of leaving his feet on drives when passing the ball instead of probing and maintaining his dribble?

i am very skeptical. worse comes to worse he is gone in a year. knicks are not winning anything of note in 2017 anyway.