We went big game hunting....Lebron....Bosh....Johnson.....etc.

What did have to offer, who was making the pitch....Donnie in a wheel chair....Dolan.....Isiah behind the scenes???...we settled on Stat and mortgaged everything for Melo....meanwhile Riley with a quart of WD40 slicked his hair back and proceeded to go new car salesman on LeBron....

Lebron...sold from the jump.....D wade was younger...Bosh was an all star and the stage was set.

FASTFOWARD....2016

Phil...novice executive...who is more shrewd than we give him credit for....not necessarily trying win the press conferences made some good moves obviously KP.....made some bad moves....D. Fish....but all in all has acted responsible with the future living in the moment now....with D. Rose trade...breaking tradition...horny vs. rambis...controlling all our 1st round picks from henceforth...

The stage is set...not saying we are going to get Durant....but a healthy Rose(mind you he looked like the old Rose back half of the season), Melo still here..that's still 22 pts a night with his headband over his eyes, and KP....a phenomenon .....still just scratching the surface.....and doing it in the East....

What I'm saying boys and girls, is that OKC has the advantage....Warriors.... He can go and have gladiator battles to the WCF every year.....but the our beloved Knicks have the table set....not with a roster that is a dumpster fire....a star on the back 9, another trying to get back to 80% of what he once was...and even at 80% he will torch M. Conley....and budding star more in the role of Durant himself...with Phil making the persuasive pitch....6 years later we com to the table again...yeah our goods are not perfect...but at least we got something to sell this time....

Like Melo said....winning 1 in NY is like winning multiple anywhere else....

I believe we have a decent chance...maybe 20%...but at least we have a chance...and plus you never know with free agency....

DARE TO DREAM....

ekstarks94 wrote:Think back to summer 2010.....when we were flush with cap space....Donny Walsh laying waste to the roster....making space for Lebron.....we had not made the playoffs.....Dantoni, the allure of NY, and cap space....is all we had.

We went big game hunting....Lebron....Bosh....Johnson.....etc.

What did have to offer, who was making the pitch....Donnie in a wheel chair....Dolan.....Isiah behind the scenes???...we settled on Stat and mortgaged everything for Melo....meanwhile Riley with a quart of WD40 slicked his hair back and proceeded to go new car salesman on LeBron....

Lebron...sold from the jump.....D wade was younger...Bosh was an all star and the stage was set.

FASTFOWARD....2016

Phil...novice executive...who is more shrewd than we give him credit for....not necessarily trying win the press conferences made some good moves obviously KP.....made some bad moves....D. Fish....but all in all has acted responsible with the future living in the moment now....with D. Rose trade...breaking tradition...horny vs. rambis...controlling all our 1st round picks from henceforth...

The stage is set...not saying we are going to get Durant....but a healthy Rose(mind you he looked like the old Rose back half of the season), Melo still here..that's still 22 pts a night with his headband over his eyes, and KP....a phenomenon .....still just scratching the surface.....and doing it in the East....

What I'm saying boys and girls, is that OKC has the advantage....Warriors.... He can go and have gladiator battles to the WCF every year.....but the our beloved Knicks have the table set....not with a roster that is a dumpster fire....a star on the back 9, another trying to get back to 80% of what he once was...and even at 80% he will torch M. Conley....and budding star more in the role of Durant himself...with Phil making the persuasive pitch....6 years later we com to the table again...yeah our goods are not perfect...but at least we got something to sell this time....

Like Melo said....winning 1 in NY is like winning multiple anywhere else....

I believe we have a decent chance...maybe 20%...but at least we have a chance...and plus you never know with free agency....

DARE TO DREAM....

Your description of 2010 has only a casual, platonic relationship with reality.

ekstarks94 wrote:Reality is what we perceive my friend....

My perception is that we have a better shot in 2016 than in 2010..,,

Your reality may be different .....if so.....there is another team accross the bridge that is looking for fans that gave up most of their picks for an ill fated get rich quick scheme....

No, there are empirical facts. The world is in fact NOT elastic to be shaped by every individual.

In your world you make it seem like Pat Riley engineered the big 3, and nothing could be further from the truth.

And the Knicks didn't mortgage everything for anybody, if the words mortgage and everything actually have a standard meaning.

However may be you do not remember Donnie burning the house down for Lebron... Like the 1st round pick we gave Houston to dump salary ..ala McGrady....

I still remember the day he dump Crawfird and Zach...and the next day the tabloids had Lebron in a Knicks jersey...maybe at that time you were not paying attention during the Dinnie years

Durant and Melo are in NY together and I'm pretty darned sure that Melo is talking to him and that Rose, Durant, Melo and Noah will find a way to hook up over the next couple of days. There's a lot of incentive for them to do that.

fitzfarm wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is a much better situation than 2010 for sure. We are going into this offseason in a position of strength. We aren't so much begging as we're convincing players of our seriousness and determination to contend. It's much easier to see the vision now than in the past. Pretty much everything will fall into place if Durant wants it to. He can go back to OKC and hope with Westbrook and Oladipo that they can get over the top but then If he came to NY Durant would have Rose, Melo and KP going into battle with him. IMO that is a much stronger core than OKC. I believe he will be able to see that. That in itself is MUCH better than what we had working in 2010.

Durant and Melo are in NY together and I'm pretty darned sure that Melo is talking to him and that Rose, Durant, Melo and Noah will find a way to hook up over the next couple of days. There's a lot of incentive for them to do that.

I'm right there with ya Durant knows a core of melo,KP,rose is elite to what okc has to offer or most other teams ... Fingers crossed . This is the best shot we've ever had at landing the big fish since I've been a knick fan 86 and up. The curse of trading Ewing might finally be over!

Thank you Phil none of this would even be a possibility if you didn't draft KP the unicorn!

Knicks need to add more depth to get players like Durant interested. It isnt just about the starters. OKC has a very deep squad, now even deeper.

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is a much better situation than 2010 for sure. We are going into this offseason in a position of strength. We aren't so much begging as we're convincing players of our seriousness and determination to contend. It's much easier to see the vision now than in the past. Pretty much everything will fall into place if Durant wants it to. He can go back to OKC and hope with Westbrook and Oladipo that they can get over the top but then If he came to NY Durant would have Rose, Melo and KP going into battle with him. IMO that is a much stronger core than OKC. I believe he will be able to see that. That in itself is MUCH better than what we had working in 2010.

Durant and Melo are in NY together and I'm pretty darned sure that Melo is talking to him and that Rose, Durant, Melo and Noah will find a way to hook up over the next couple of days. There's a lot of incentive for them to do that.

I'm right there with ya Durant knows a core of melo,KP,rose is elite to what okc has to offer or most other teams ... Fingers crossed . This is the best shot we've ever had at landing the big fish since I've been a knick fan 86 and up. The curse of trading Ewing might finally be over!

Thank you Phil none of this would even be a possibility if you didn't draft KP the unicorn!

Knicks need to add more depth to get players like Durant interested. It isnt just about the starters. OKC has a very deep squad, now even deeper.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is a much better situation than 2010 for sure. We are going into this offseason in a position of strength. We aren't so much begging as we're convincing players of our seriousness and determination to contend. It's much easier to see the vision now than in the past. Pretty much everything will fall into place if Durant wants it to. He can go back to OKC and hope with Westbrook and Oladipo that they can get over the top but then If he came to NY Durant would have Rose, Melo and KP going into battle with him. IMO that is a much stronger core than OKC. I believe he will be able to see that. That in itself is MUCH better than what we had working in 2010.

Durant and Melo are in NY together and I'm pretty darned sure that Melo is talking to him and that Rose, Durant, Melo and Noah will find a way to hook up over the next couple of days. There's a lot of incentive for them to do that.

I'm right there with ya Durant knows a core of melo,KP,rose is elite to what okc has to offer or most other teams ... Fingers crossed . This is the best shot we've ever had at landing the big fish since I've been a knick fan 86 and up. The curse of trading Ewing might finally be over!

Thank you Phil none of this would even be a possibility if you didn't draft KP the unicorn!

Knicks need to add more depth to get players like Durant interested. It isnt just about the starters. OKC has a very deep squad, now even deeper.

I think the Knicks will find it relatively easy to fill in around Durant, Rose, KP and Melo!!! I mean come on already. Exactly how many teams can put that much talent on the floor? You pretty much will never have to play a minute without at least 1 serious threat on the floor. I think Durant would understand how EPIC it would be to come to NY.

Of course you do. I doubt Durant will be so trusting. The first three teams Durant will meet with are OKC, Spurs, and GS. Three teams with a deep bench, ready to rumble. Not trying to rain on your victory parade, but the Knicks have a lot of work to do. Most of us here know that. We are on a different timetable than those teams. Im fine with that. Im not going to kid myself that we have as much to offer. One of those teams has one of the three best coaches ever in this league.

Doesn't mean the Knicks wont get there someday, just not as fast as you believe.

My point isn't that the Knicks already have a deep bench, since we all know they don't. Rather the second that KD signs there would be a TON of interest in coming here. It would not take long to build up the team's depth.

Just to be clear I'm not suggesting the Knicks are the no. 1 destination out there. It seems that people think I'm saying that. Being more positive about the Knicks chances doesn't equate with me saying we're on top of the best teams.

EnySpree wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:Reality is what we perceive my friend....

My perception is that we have a better shot in 2016 than in 2010..,,

Your reality may be different .....if so.....there is another team accross the bridge that is looking for fans that gave up most of their picks for an ill fated get rich quick scheme....

No, there are empirical facts. The world is in fact NOT elastic to be shaped by every individual.

In your world you make it seem like Pat Riley engineered the big 3, and nothing could be further from the truth.

And the Knicks didn't mortgage everything for anybody, if the words mortgage and everything actually have a standard meaning.

I don't understand whats the purpose of your argument knickoftime.

Just accuracy, which is its own purpose.

Knickoftime wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:.

However may be you do not remember Donnie burning the house down for Lebron... Like the 1st round pick we gave Houston to dump salary ..ala McGrady....

I didn't say nothing in your post had some merit. Just that a lot of it was inaccurate.

Yes, the Knicks proactively created cap space to make a run at 2010 free agents. No argument.

And if James has signed, it all would have been worth it.

There are no free lunches. Just trying had a cost, and I accept that they had to try.

What was inaccurate? I did not say Riley created the big 3 but Riley sold James on Miami...we did not toss the roster for free agents we tossed the roster for James and gave him a blank canvas to select his...the problem was we had nothing else....

This year is a bit different

Yes mortgaging the future is a tired line....but that does not make it inaccurate....if Melo waited and we kept our assets and signed outright things would probably be very different....