Then factor Knicks have 30 million in capspace after already having a core right now of Porzingis, Melo, Rose and the rights to Galloway and Thomas. The finished team in terms of talent level should wipe the floor with last years team.

Who knows maybe its all a disaster and Knicks wind up in the lottery. All I know is that Melo had his best success in his career when he had a point guard like Billups running the offense for him in Denver. I think Rose is at a different point in his career, no longer about proving he is the best player in basketball. All he has to do is take the opprtunities Jose was getting and unable to. Teams were overloading on Melo whemever he was dribbling the ball outside. Teams didnt respect our other guards at all. Now when Melo swings the ball at the perimeter, he has two threats. KP as a shooter that can drive. Rose as a driving threat that can get into the paint. Teams will defend Melo differently. Now add that Rose and Porzingis can run screen and rolls together, it will be another element to the team that just wasnt there last year.

You would think by the reaction on this board we traded Porzingis or Melo. The league is all about talent first, coaching second. The Knicks added a 16 points a night, 5-6 assists a night driving point guard without giving up Melo or Porzingis. This was our exact goal in free agency with Conley. Get a point guard that can get into the paint, create shots for himself or others and run screen & rolls effectively. We got that. All it comes down to is his health. If he is able to play 60 or more games and be healthy if we make the playoffs, this will be worth it. If not, it would have been a bad gamble and we let him walk, with 60$ million in capspace to re-stock the roster around Porzingis and Melo.

nyknickzingis wrote:The Knicks established last year that they had talent with Melo and Porzingis. It was clear as day that the Knicks needed a point guard that could reduce the load on Melo. The Knicks were dead last in points in the paint and on drives. Jose can not get into the paint. Rose injuries and all, will immediately bring some action in the paint. We will see some dribble penetration, and can you imagine the Rose/Porzingis screen/roll action? So many options now with Rose that you didnt have with Jose.

Then factor Knicks have 30 million in capspace after already having a core right now of Porzingis, Melo, Rose and the rights to Galloway and Thomas. The finished team in terms of talent level should wipe the floor with last years team.

Who knows maybe its all a disaster and Knicks wind up in the lottery. All I know is that Melo had his best success in his career when he had a point guard like Billups running the offense for him in Denver. I think Rose is at a different point in his career, no longer about proving he is the best player in basketball. All he has to do is take the opprtunities Jose was getting and unable to. Teams were overloading on Melo whemever he was dribbling the ball outside. Teams didnt respect our other guards at all. Now when Melo swings the ball at the perimeter, he has two threats. KP as a shooter that can drive. Rose as a driving threat that can get into the paint. Teams will defend Melo differently. Now add that Rose and Porzingis can run screen and rolls together, it will be another element to the team that just wasnt there last year.

You would think by the reaction on this board we traded Porzingis or Melo. The league is all about talent first, coaching second. The Knicks added a 16 points a night, 5-6 assists a night driving point guard without giving up Melo or Porzingis. This was our exact goal in free agency with Conley. Get a point guard that can get into the paint, create shots for himself or others and run screen & rolls effectively. We got that. All it comes down to is his health. If he is able to play 60 or more games and be healthy if we make the playoffs, this will be worth it. If not, it would have been a bad gamble and we let him walk, with 60$ million in capspace to re-stock the roster around Porzingis and Melo.

So what happens if the Knicks fill out the last 2 starting spots with good players? There are so many possibilities after you set the board with KP, Melo and Rose. The fun starts now for Phil and JH.

fitzfarm wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The Marbury or Francis teams didnt have the talent in Porzingis and Melo that this team has, or 30$M im capspace to sign talent that compliments the trio of Rose, Melo and Porzingis. We are in a unique situation here for us where we have 3 highly skilled players at important positions like point guard, wing and the big man spot, while having money and means to add complimentary talent around them.

This is not like in the past where like a Marbury we are expecting Rose to come in and be the man and play like he did in his peak in Chicago. We are trading for the 15/5 version who plays about 30 minutes a night. Thats what we want from him. We want him to give that while Melo and KP do what they were doing last year, and hopefully more from KP. The way some are talking about this, its as if the Knicks are hoping Rose plays like a MVP. No, they know what Calderon/Lopez can net in a trade. They wanted better skill and balance of talent on their team. Like i said, last in the league in points in the paint and drives.

Correct with signing a big fish rose becomes the 4th fiddle possibly the 5th

Free Agent
Porzingis
Anthony
Free Agent
Rose

Still 2 more moves in the works likely. Dont know who those players are, but I certainly like our talent level more today and opprtunity to have a really good starting 5, than I did a few weeks ago. What would have been our choices had Conley said no? Now you are talking about paying someone like Bayless, or a backup level point guard a longterm 40$M/4 year deal and he gives you just a bit more than Jose while you still have Jose and Grant. The Knicks looked at free agency and saw something that was obvious. Theres much more talent at the 5 and wing spot than there was at the 1/point guard. So they traded their 5 for a better starting 1 on a 1 year deal, and now hope they can upgrade their 5 spot through free agency. We should give them that time to show what they can do.

Free agency this year

Bigs - Horford, Whiteside, Howard, Gasol, Noah
Wings - DeRozan, Durant, Batum
Points- Conley, Rondo

Easiest position to replace is Lopez, and thats not looking at Hernangomez may come over or that KP may be ready for more minute at 5 next year (certainly on offense his best position).

Ever drive through okc on I40 ? Even if you did it's hard to know takes about 2 minutes

mreinman wrote:full blown tank while rose keeps fans who don't understand the game in the seats.

tank, get a great pick, use the boatload of cap room

how is this not a complete tank move?

fella's, welcome to the knicks version of the tank with a touch of the starphuck

Well at least now you don't have to make any more sarcastic "rolo sucks" threads every time he has a good game, so this move should free you up to talk more in-depth about how we're not taking nearly enough corners 3s per game

fitzfarm wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:We don't need to tank we can sign Durant and go after Westbrook next year
That tandom was a game away from the chip imagine what they could do with the upgrade in melo and KP . Conclusion multiple championships

Why are Westbrook and Durant leaving OKC, to end up playing with each other in NYC? They both hate the media...you think NYC will create a better environment in that respect?

No the media in Ny is terrible they make earthquakes outta nothing ... But what nyc has that okc dose not have is a KP and Melo add Durant and Westbrook that's a huge upgrade to Adams and ibaka . With Adams and ibaka they were one game away from the chip. Flip those players with KP and melo and you win the chip

There's only one ball. Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant are two of the biggest ball stoppers in the league, which resulted in OKC having one of the league's lowest assist totals and ball movement ratings. Now, you want to pair them with two other players whose value is primarily rooted in their offensive game? Seems like a disaster waiting to happen.