I just hope Grant gets regular minutes this year.

fishmike wrote:There is no bigger fan or believer in Grant on this board than myself. When I heard that trade on draft day I was hooting and hollering. That being said you need more guys. I am not ready or willing to hand Grant the keys to drive this ship all by himself. You need depth and quality depth. Grant can play both guard spots. I highly value his skill set and could see him playing next to Conley.

Just because we get Conley doesn't mean Grant gets kicked to the curb. If we sign Conley there are still 35mpg sitting out there for Grant to take if he plays well.

We have no guards... Is LG even signed? We need guys. The more talent the better, and unlike with centers or PFs guards can share the floor, especially with the NBA small ball lineups.

I'm in this boat. Conley probably helps Grant get better faster anyway.

GSW have Shaun Livingston coming off the bench. You need lots of guards in this league.

Not to mention, Hornacek has run plenty of 2 PG lineups (which Melo did well with here) - who's to say we couldn't play Grant and Conley together?

SupremeCommander wrote:No, I want a PG only because Horny knows how to play more than two points. I think that sometimes it's difficult to incorporate more than one pure point. I don't think that's the case with him and in some regards I think have multiples can be helpful. It seems that he wants his guards to be able to do more than drift outside and chuck a la THJ

Yeah, exactly. JH was a SG, but he was a playmaking SG. So he wants both guards to be able to make plays. Which is also what Phil wants. They want slightly different things out of those guard plays - but the idea is the same - a two guard front with both guys able to make read and react plays.

Also, I think Conley would be perfect for such a system. I think Rondo would be pretty good for it, too. I even like Jennings in that role, if healthy.

But we need more playmaking guards.

crzymdups wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:No, I want a PG only because Horny knows how to play more than two points. I think that sometimes it's difficult to incorporate more than one pure point. I don't think that's the case with him and in some regards I think have multiples can be helpful. It seems that he wants his guards to be able to do more than drift outside and chuck a la THJ

Yeah, exactly. JH was a SG, but he was a playmaking SG. So he wants both guards to be able to make plays. Which is also what Phil wants. They want slightly different things out of those guard plays - but the idea is the same - a two guard front with both guys able to make read and react plays.

Also, I think Conley would be perfect for such a system. I think Rondo would be pretty good for it, too. I even like Jennings in that role, if healthy.

But we need more playmaking guards.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would like to see Grant get the time to develop his game, but we have two PGs in Grant and Wroten with little NBA experience. Would like to move Calderon for someone with more left in the tank. Doesn't have to be a big time FA, but someone good enough to help get us to the playoffs while Grant and Wroten learn.

Grant may have a breakout year (which would be awesome), but I would like to see the Knicks hedge their bets with an upgrade at starting PG.

I cant think of a faster way to facilitate a breakout year for Grant than to play him next to Conley. Grant is an excellent slashing and playing off the ball a bit will really help build up his scoring and have him filling out the stat sheet. He can slide to backup PG when Conley sits and play in 3 guard aligns. Takes the pressure off a sophomore player.

Another option is Wroten at SG and Grant off the bench. First guard off the bench will need to play both spots or in 3 guard sets, and that is a 30mpg role, so I am not worried about squeezing out young guys is we sign a good player like Conley.

Wroten at SG strikes me as the best option for him. He's a guy who get his own shot. While his shooting numbers are not he hits the corner 3 really well which is a nice floor spacer for SG, and a nice spot on the floor to slash against opposing SGs as well.

Bottom line to me is Conley pushed Grant/Wroten into role they are better suited for now. I cant remember NBA teams that have a "too much talent" problem.

I dont have a problem with Phil signing Conley. Was advocating for Grant to get some time at SG last season to get his offense going. Jerian had too much on his plate with 2 coaches, the Triangle, and the pressure of playing in NYC.

As long as we dont go into next season with Calderon as starting PG, get an upgrade, the team should be in good shape. With Conley on board, I believe this team is good enough to get to the conference Semis.

crzymdups wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:No, I want a PG only because Horny knows how to play more than two points. I think that sometimes it's difficult to incorporate more than one pure point. I don't think that's the case with him and in some regards I think have multiples can be helpful. It seems that he wants his guards to be able to do more than drift outside and chuck a la THJ

Yeah, exactly. JH was a SG, but he was a playmaking SG. So he wants both guards to be able to make plays. Which is also what Phil wants. They want slightly different things out of those guard plays - but the idea is the same - a two guard front with both guys able to make read and react plays.

Also, I think Conley would be perfect for such a system. I think Rondo would be pretty good for it, too. I even like Jennings in that role, if healthy.

But we need more playmaking guards.

Looking at all three of these PGs, each has health issues and don't warrant a major investment of time and dollars. Plus, next year's class of free agents represent a vast improvement over this year's class. Let's find that SG gunslinger. Someone with ice in their veins and fire in their eyes. When we do get our PG (maybe he's already here), we'll have the tools to make a deep run.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would like to see Grant get the time to develop his game, but we have two PGs in Grant and Wroten with little NBA experience. Would like to move Calderon for someone with more left in the tank. Doesn't have to be a big time FA, but someone good enough to help get us to the playoffs while Grant and Wroten learn.

Grant may have a breakout year (which would be awesome), but I would like to see the Knicks hedge their bets with an upgrade at starting PG.

I cant think of a faster way to facilitate a breakout year for Grant than to play him next to Conley. Grant is an excellent slashing and playing off the ball a bit will really help build up his scoring and have him filling out the stat sheet. He can slide to backup PG when Conley sits and play in 3 guard aligns. Takes the pressure off a sophomore player.

Another option is Wroten at SG and Grant off the bench. First guard off the bench will need to play both spots or in 3 guard sets, and that is a 30mpg role, so I am not worried about squeezing out young guys is we sign a good player like Conley.

Wroten at SG strikes me as the best option for him. He's a guy who get his own shot. While his shooting numbers are not he hits the corner 3 really well which is a nice floor spacer for SG, and a nice spot on the floor to slash against opposing SGs as well.

Bottom line to me is Conley pushed Grant/Wroten into role they are better suited for now. I cant remember NBA teams that have a "too much talent" problem.

I dont have a problem with Phil signing Conley. Was advocating for Grant to get some time at SG last season to get his offense going. Jerian had too much on his plate with 2 coaches, the Triangle, and the pressure of playing in NYC.

As long as we dont go into next season with Calderon as starting PG, get an upgrade, the team should be in good shape. With Conley on board, I believe this team is good enough to get to the conference Semis.

Could Grant do better if Hornachek loosens up the Triangle a bit? I think the coaching change could help Grant.

I see him as a Derrick Harper type player and expect to be pleasantly surprised with his play this year.

I don't think Conley is coming here, but a veteran PG would still be a nice addition, and couldn't hurt Grant's development, IMO.

We give JH Conley, Grant, Galloway, Jose and Wroten to work with as guards and I expect the Knicks to play some pretty good ball and pretty quickly