BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks D is fine they just can't score and make poor passes.

The best player of the day was Georges Niang and its not even close--the guy is a man among boys. Passing rebounding 3 point shooting--hey we couldve had him. But like I think someone said we were Ronny the man Baker all the way.

Does not really have a position which will get him a lot of minutes on that team with George and Turner.

Is he a 3 or a 4...with either one he has defensive limitations.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks D is fine they just can't score and make poor passes.

The best player of the day was Georges Niang and its not even close--the guy is a man among boys. Passing rebounding 3 point shooting--hey we couldve had him. But like I think someone said we were Ronny the man Baker all the way.

Did not see the game, but my understanding is that his perimeter D is porous.

Does not really have a position which will get him a lot of minutes on that team with George and Turner.

Is he a 3 or a 4...with either one he has defensive limitations.

Hes just a good smart player with oodles of basketball skill. I feel I followed this all year well since we had no picks--I looked at everything. I knew he was going to be a good role player--he'll be a solid rotational F in this league a LONG time. A guy who at 6-8 235 can handle shoot pass rebound--hes smart enough to fit in defensively--in fact he was a good post defender.

WaltLongmire wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.

I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.

Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.

Tokoto has NBA athleticism, he can play D and slash that jumper
comes along and that's a 3&D guy. Handle looked smooth too.

Summers is ready he has the physical profile and triple threat game, I have no idea why he hasn't stuck but that's just some guys look. He already showed he's a dominant D-League player, champion overseas, if I'm not mistaken leading or second leading scorer today.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks D is fine they just can't score and make poor passes.

The best player of the day was Georges Niang and its not even close--the guy is a man among boys. Passing rebounding 3 point shooting--hey we couldve had him. But like I think someone said we were Ronny the man Baker all the way.

Did not see the game, but my understanding is that his perimeter D is porous.

Does not really have a position which will get him a lot of minutes on that team with George and Turner.

Is he a 3 or a 4...with either one he has defensive limitations.

Hes just a good smart player with oodles of basketball skill. I feel I followed this all year well since we had no picks--I looked at everything. I knew he was going to be a good role player--he'll be a solid rotational F in this league a LONG time. A guy who at 6-8 235 can handle shoot pass rebound--hes smart enough to fit in defensively--in fact he was a good post defender.

Knicks have a guy like that in J.J. Avila. I've got my eye on him this SL. He looked very quick and agile. His teammates missed him a few times in this 1st game. He just looks like he's got all kinds of skills.

nixluva--not close. Niang is a shooter to 30 feet who can play the style of basketball that suits the NBA right now--you have to guard him to 3 then he can either go right around you with the dribble or make a deft pass. JJ has multi skills but hes a great YMCA player

reub wrote:Oh and Labeyrie is terrible!

First game, maybe he gets a little more relaxed and makes some shots next game.

BRIGGS wrote:A second rd pick should be really good at one or two specific skills / and or have tier 1 athletic ability and have showed in game how this athletic ability propels their game or just a flat out draft drop from obvious 1 st rd talent. This was a very strange draft where really you could do as well at 40 as you could at 15. The Knicks the last few years seem to be a club that has not been Discplined in their picks or simply believed erroneously they were looking at better talent than what was really there. Good teams tend to keep making good choices bad drafting teams like the Knicks the same

By "the last few years" you mean to say Cleanthony Early, right?

GustavBahler wrote:Just finished watching on the DVR. Wasn't impressed with Baker. His shot looked more like a heave, some really ugly shots. His perimeter D was ok against larger players, but smaller ones blew right by him.

I liked Diabate, he was a pest on D, coughed it up a few times, but he also got to the rim quite easily, good at driving and dishing.

Labeyrie put in a lot of work in the paint, but please don't shoot! Another player heaving the ball, not shooting. Could fill the same role as Jefferies used to (his second time in NY) someone who isn't counted on to score much, but does the dirty work under the rim.

One second Plumlee's midrange shot looked good, the next second it looks like he never played the game. Did like his defense.

Going to mute the game next time, Greg Anthony and company talked about almost everything but the game. I get its SL, but these guys were in their own little world.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Just finished watching on the DVR. Wasn't impressed with Baker. His shot looked more like a heave, some really ugly shots. His perimeter D was ok against larger players, but smaller ones blew right by him.

I liked Diabate, he was a pest on D, coughed it up a few times, but he also got to the rim quite easily, good at driving and dishing.

Labeyrie put in a lot of work in the paint, but please don't shoot! Another player heaving the ball, not shooting. Could fill the same role as Jefferies used to (his second time in NY) someone who isn't counted on to score much, but does the dirty work under the rim.

One second Plumlee's midrange shot looked good, the next second it looks like he never played the game. Did like his defense.

Going to mute the game next time, Greg Anthony and company talked about almost everything but the game. I get its SL, but these guys were in their own little world.

Plumlee looked VERY GOOD. He was quick on D, blocked out, defended the rim, made mid range face up jumpers and Hook shots. Missing a few doesn't make him up and down. he was clearly the most consistently good player next to Summers. I like Tokoto. He looks like he just needs help with his 3pt shot. He needs to take the shot with confidence, which he clearly doesn't have yet.

Diabate had some moments as did Harris. Hopefully Baker will have a better shooting day next game. I don't think he looked as bad as some are saying. If he shoots like he's capable he would've had a solid game. Let's remember he's adjusting to being used as a lead guard in the Triangle. There's probably a lot going through his head.

Your words, not mine. I was talking about Plumlee's mechanics, not his statistics. Apparently taking mid range jumpers hasn't been part of his repertoire. Don't take it personally.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Just finished watching on the DVR. Wasn't impressed with Baker. His shot looked more like a heave, some really ugly shots. His perimeter D was ok against larger players, but smaller ones blew right by him.

I liked Diabate, he was a pest on D, coughed it up a few times, but he also got to the rim quite easily, good at driving and dishing.

Labeyrie put in a lot of work in the paint, but please don't shoot! Another player heaving the ball, not shooting. Could fill the same role as Jefferies used to (his second time in NY) someone who isn't counted on to score much, but does the dirty work under the rim.

One second Plumlee's midrange shot looked good, the next second it looks like he never played the game. Did like his defense.

Going to mute the game next time, Greg Anthony and company talked about almost everything but the game. I get its SL, but these guys were in their own little world.

Plumlee looked VERY GOOD. He was quick on D, blocked out, defended the rim, made mid range face up jumpers and Hook shots. Missing a few doesn't make him up and down. he was clearly the most consistently good player next to Summers. I like Tokoto. He looks like he just needs help with his 3pt shot. He needs to take the shot with confidence, which he clearly doesn't have yet.

Diabate had some moments as did Harris. Hopefully Baker will have a better shooting day next game. I don't think he looked as bad as some are saying. If he shoots like he's capable he would've had a solid game. Let's remember he's adjusting to being used as a lead guard in the Triangle. There's probably a lot going through his head.

Nobody looked very good. We only scored 49 points for the whole game. And two of those points (the only two scored by Ron Baker) came as a result of the Piston's center accidentally tipping the ball into his own basket. If you want to see a good summer league team then watch the Heat destroy us later today. As Briggs has pointed out, we need to steal some of their players to develop.

I still have some hope for Baker, Harris and Plumlee. But only a smidgen.