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Our rotational bigs as of now?
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BRIGGS
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6/19/2016  1:10 PM
C robin Lopez
F kp
F/c kyle oquinn
F/c willy g


Also Carmelo can be moved to 4


Looking at this we could use an athletic rim protecting big to add in

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6/19/2016  3:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:C robin Lopez
F kp
F/c kyle oquinn
F/c willy g


Also Carmelo can be moved to 4


Looking at this we could use an athletic rim protecting big to add in

We don't have Willy G signed.

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6/20/2016  10:07 AM
That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time
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6/20/2016  10:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2016  10:17 AM
We could definitely use another athlete, but resigning Dwill and Lance, who will both see time at the 4, will be helpful. Neither are rim protectors, but KP, Robin, and O'Quinn can all block shots and take up space, and Dwill and Lance at least add some athleticism up front. Willy is an unknown, but will hopefully develop into a solid rotation 4/5.
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6/20/2016  10:22 AM
tj23 wrote:That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time

I don't agree. I think our front line is very capable.

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6/20/2016  10:30 AM
We need Cleveland's "athletic bigs."
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6/20/2016  10:32 AM
Knixkik wrote:We could definitely use another athlete, but resigning Dwill and Lance, who will both see time at the 4, will be helpful. Neither are rim protectors, but KP, Robin, and O'Quinn can all block shots and take up space, and Dwill and Lance at least add some athleticism up front. Willy is an unknown, but will hopefully develop into a solid rotation 4/5.

Lance is hugely important to the perimeter D and his ability to guard guys like Draymond and Jae Crowder and the like. Really hope we sign him.

Also, Bogut going down and the play of Tristan Thompson showed just how important having good size still is in this league.

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6/20/2016  10:34 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:We need Cleveland's "athletic bigs."

We already have KP. I think Rolo is underrated in that category. I think Willy will surprise.

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6/20/2016  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2016  11:38 AM
At the very least, it's good to know we can turn to several quality league minimum types out there that have the skill sets to come in and fill the holes we might have in the frontcourt. In fact, I'd prefer we go this route at a few spots -- for one, I like the players themselves and wanna see them get a chance and two, it would guarantee we conserve money for the players that will command it when the time comes.

I'm hoping at a minimum, Willy H. turns into a reliable post scorer/rebounder. I'd then look to reinforce with pieces that fit off him -- first off, an effective backup for RoLo that could bring a similar game -- I like Jordan Bachynski here--he played very well this season in Westchester and I'd hate to lose him to some other team now. I say let's sign him to one of those non-guaranteed 3 year deals and actually play him at the big league level to see just how effective he could be. If he played well, then we could feel better about trading RoLo knowing we've got Bachynski ready to plug in. We could either be looking at a much cheaper version of Robin with all the same qualities (I like Robin, he was better than I thought he'd be, but $13-14mm/year would be a lot of cap room to suddenly free up) or a suitable backup to spot Robin or fill in if he ever went down.

Second, I think an athletic, shot-blocking dirty work Keon Clark/Amir Johnson-type also could work well next to Willy. Someone like Khem Birch or maybe this kid Octavius Ellis who probably goes undrafted out of Cincy. No need to overspend for this type of player. I'd look to bring in one or both of these guys for Orlando summer league.

Or a nice cost-effective stretch 4 could also work well off Willy in the post. Justin Harper fits the bill here--he had a real nice year in the DL, or maybe someone like Austin Daye who's been in Europe the past couple of seasons.

There are also a ton of possibilities out there to go this same route at other positions as well. Look at how these recent championship teams in Miami were built -- they had the legit stars getting paid accordingly flanked by real good role players on the cheap. I think that's how we should assemble this team for the time being--use that same blueprint. NO WAY do I wanna drastically overpay players who don't deserve it/aren't worth it -- need to remain patient and only use the bulk of the cash for the right players.

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6/20/2016  11:45 AM
I have Damian Jones as the 5th best prospect. I just saw today that hes hovering around 30 on mocks. Hes got serious athletic pop and these types of 7 footers usually do better in the NBA ala Andre Drummond

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6/20/2016  12:19 PM
For what it's worth, was there an "athletic" big guarding either rim in the finals we just witnessed?

TT?

Bogut??

Ezeli?

Cavs basically played the entire series without a player over 6'9" on the court.


...Just saying.

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6/20/2016  12:23 PM
In my opinion, I think we should be looking out for any lowkey Tristan Thompson types.
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6/20/2016  12:27 PM
tj23 wrote:That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time

Didn't we finish with one of, if not the, best interior defenses in the whole league? That's their primary job -- protect the rim

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6/20/2016  12:28 PM
I wouldn't mind bringing C.Aldrich back. He's much better than a lot of people give him credit for and probably won't cost too much.
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6/20/2016  1:50 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:I wouldn't mind bringing C.Aldrich back. He's much better than a lot of people give him credit for and probably won't cost too much.

I agree.

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6/20/2016  1:58 PM
Chandler wrote:
tj23 wrote:That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time

Didn't we finish with one of, if not the, best interior defenses in the whole league? That's their primary job -- protect the rim


In today's NBA your bigs need to be a bit more agile IMO. I thought the finals displayed that.

Regardless if you think that it's necessary or not to be quick, our bigs are SLOW. It's clear as day. On the other hand, we have excellent size.

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6/20/2016  2:06 PM
tj23 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
tj23 wrote:That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time

Didn't we finish with one of, if not the, best interior defenses in the whole league? That's their primary job -- protect the rim


In today's NBA your bigs need to be a bit more agile IMO. I thought the finals displayed that.

Regardless if you think that it's necessary or not to be quick, our bigs are SLOW. It's clear as day. On the other hand, we have excellent size.

I agree that everything else being equal, adding athletecism is good

But our interior defense is fine and that deserv s credit.

I would personally prioritize adding athletecism at the wings and pg

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6/20/2016  4:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2016  5:38 PM
I would play this whole offseason so differently than everyone else. Right off the bat, outside of KD (and even his foot problems scare me a little), I don't love any of the other top free agents we've been talking about, not for the money that's being discussed for each of them. As such, I would work my entire FA plan around being as cost-effective as possible. I'm prepared to pay for 3 players: Willy Hernangomez (man, I hope he doesn't hold out on us for an inflated contract though--you would hope he accepts fair market value for what a 35th pick in the draft should get but I have my doubts), Solomon Hill and Jerryd Bayless. And if those 3 prove to be too expensive, I'd immediately move to plan B, plan C, etc.. The rest of the additions would be a draft pick I hope to acquire (the higher the better--let's see what Phil can come up with but like everyone else, I'm hoping for a high 2nd rounder say in the 30-40 range--I think it's gravy if he can do better than that) and then quality league minimum signings to fill in the holes. That's really it. Bottom line is I'm not ready to starting burning money just because the cap went up perceivably in the players' favor. I'd go the opposite--I think this is the time to play it cool and cheap. We need to look at this and find ways to make the inflated cap work for us and I think that revolves around remaining patient for the time being. And whatever we do--we can't let Melo's closing window influence our decisions. Whenever his window closes, it closes and whenever he wants to leave, he can leave. The big picture plan now is to build around KP, not Melo. I haven't thought about Melo as the centerpiece of this team for awhile now...Again, managing this damn cap is crucial -- I think it's more than half the battle in the NBA. We mismanage the cap, we'll sink ourselves for years. I'm convinced. Instead of blowing all the money now, be smart and let's conserve some of it for when the right players come along that'll really be worth the big contracts.
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6/20/2016  6:21 PM
Chandler wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
tj23 wrote:That's a slow group of bigs to be honest. Hopefully we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 so we're not as limited defensively all the time

Didn't we finish with one of, if not the, best interior defenses in the whole league? That's their primary job -- protect the rim


In today's NBA your bigs need to be a bit more agile IMO. I thought the finals displayed that.

Regardless if you think that it's necessary or not to be quick, our bigs are SLOW. It's clear as day. On the other hand, we have excellent size.

I agree that everything else being equal, adding athletecism is good

But our interior defense is fine and that deserv s credit.

I would personally prioritize adding athletecism at the wings and pg

Agreed. We can't create or break pressure well. Need more arhleticism on the outside.

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6/20/2016  7:15 PM
Agreed ..We need more athletic flexibility with our bigs coming off the bench. There's enough bulk and size but we need guys who can switch off at the 3 and 4 spots. What are the odds of Lance and DWill returning? Do you want them back or look elsewhere?
Our rotational bigs as of now?

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