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Money wise its possible. Guys would have to leave some money on the table. Or the Knicks could try to trade a guy assuming Affalo and Derrick opt out.

Rondo's 3 pt percentage was 36% last year. Not terrible. His FT shooting sucks. But he doesn't get to the line much. You could convince me not to sign rondo, but if we are getting him at a discount, why would you?

But, call me a hater, I just don't see that squad as being able to get past the first round.

And if that is the case, then we're basically stuck at mediocrity for as long as those players are signed and taking up the bulk of our cap- because mid to late first round picks aren't going to get us over the hump.

KP is going to be a special player, but I don't see him being MJ/LeBron/Kobe great.

EwingsGlass wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If your back court can't shoot free throws and 3s efficiently, you ain't winning shyt.

That's what the playoffs and/or history has told me. Big time pass.

I hate when people use stats incorrectly. Derozan shot 33.8 percent from 3. Take out the 12 heaves and he's a 37% shooter. That's not ineffective. It's average to above average. He shot 46% from the floor. He got to the line at a high percentage. All this results in a TS% of 55%. Not amazing but among guards it's pretty good. Assume that with a system that will reduce his volume and craft to his talents that those numbers can improve. They can. I take Durant all day over Derozan. But if I can take the top player from the top team in my division, I do it all day.

Dude, the guy is a career 28.3% three point shooter. There's no floor balance when Melo and KP get keyed on or doubled.

Next.

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Because KP and Melo can shoot, it could work. Knicks would have to formulate a wag to get everyone on the same page. I think Hornacek is the right coach for that.

Money wise its possible. Guys would have to leave some money on the table. Or the Knicks could try to trade a guy assuming Affalo and Derrick opt out.

You can't meaningfully advance in the playoffs with 3 guys who can't shoot. The floor spacing would be so poor with Rondo and DeRozan that it negates whatever other contributions they make. Teams could simply pack the paint, which would have a detrimental impact on the whole.

I agree... if you have Rondo you need a shooter next to him. Rondo and Derozen could work but the Knicks don't have any shooters backing them up either. I'd enjoy winning those 45-50 games though.

ChuckBuck wrote:If your back court can't shoot free throws and 3s efficiently, you ain't winning shyt.

That's what the playoffs and/or history has told me. Big time pass.

this would be more convincing if the Celts hadn't won with Rondo, and were essentially robbed the next year in game 6. Of course Rondo had Allen as his back court mate and PP is a clutch shooter too

I think the key will be just how good is Derozan, when he's not the #1 option. Will he be better from less attention, or worse from less volume? That to me is the critical question, and I don't have a clue to the answer

Chandler wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If your back court can't shoot free throws and 3s efficiently, you ain't winning shyt.

That's what the playoffs and/or history has told me. Big time pass.

this would be more convincing if the Celts hadn't won with Rondo, and were essentially robbed the next year in game 6. Of course Rondo had Allen as his back court mate and PP is a clutch shooter too

I think the key will be just how good is Derozan, when he's not the #1 option. Will he be better from less attention, or worse from less volume? That to me is the critical question, and I don't have a clue to the answer

Fair point. I think a front court with KP/Melo will give him a ton of room to drive. Not sure whether ROLO really works in Horny's spread offense or not as it clogs up Melo's post game.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If your back court can't shoot free throws and 3s efficiently, you ain't winning shyt.

That's what the playoffs and/or history has told me. Big time pass.

I agree 100%, free throws are a must, and in todays NBA if your guards are not hitting 3's at 35 to 40%, you won't go far..

The spurs and the Rapts just experience similar fate

Yup. You pointed out the exact reason in bold. Horny ran today's NBA offense in Phoenix with some success.

Right now, he has zero point guards and shooting guards to execute his vision. How the phuck would he run that pace and space with 2 guards who can't shoot in Rondo and Derozan?

The Cavs and Warriors proved you need shooting from all angles even the coach, trainer, or ball boy has to be able to hit a 3. From the Point all the way to the Center. If Draymond Green isn't suspended and plays his stretch 5 role last night, the series is essentially over.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If your back court can't shoot free throws and 3s efficiently, you ain't winning shyt.

That's what the playoffs and/or history has told me. Big time pass.

I agree 100%, free throws are a must, and in todays NBA if your guards are not hitting 3's at 35 to 40%, you won't go far..

The spurs and the Rapts just experience similar fate

Yup. You pointed out the exact reason in bold. Horny ran today's NBA offense in Phoenix with some success.

Right now, he has zero point guards and shooting guards to execute his vision. How the phuck would he run that pace and space with 2 guards who can't shoot in Rondo and Derozan?

The Cavs and Warriors proved you need shooting from all angles even the coach, trainer, or ball boy has to be able to hit a 3. From the Point all the way to the Center. If Draymond Green isn't suspended and plays his stretch 5 role last night, the series is essentially over.

I think you have to hope he ran what was best for his personnel at the time. I think the Knicks will look different as a team after this offseason. I am hoping one guy the Knicks add is Gerald Green. He played great for Hornacek in Phoenix.

I think DeRozan is highly unrealistic.

But Green is an interesting name. Knicks could snag him with Miami's cap issues.