http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/source/knicks-under-the-radar-shooters-to-target-in-free-agency-12548040

Gerald Green is a guy I just don't understand why he isn't a house hold name. He's impressed me every time I've seen him play. The point about him playing for Hornacek makes sense. He would be a cheap player that can still jump out the gym and hit 3. He has great size as well

EnySpree wrote:Bayless is one of my favorite players btw... never thought he got a fair shake is first few years in the nba

Absolutely. Same here. Look at the dude's talent level... Hard to argue in his favor because his NBA stats haven't been great--I get that--but he's a hunch guy for me, a feel guy and an eye test guy.. He's already proven that he can go for 10 ppg in the NBA with reserve-type usage. He's done that a few times now. And he proved last year that he's become a knockdown 3-pt shooter. In addition, he's got all the other qualities we're looking for in a lead guard upgrade--speed, quickness, tight handle, penetration, decent enough passer, real nice mid-range pull up game, can finish with hops.. I mean this isn't Chris Duhon here--this guy's always had serious talent.. My thing--what could he do with starter-type PT and usage? With 12-14 shots a game, instead of 7-8? I think he'd answer the bell. Also think he'd welcome the opportunity to come here if we offered a decent contract along with a starting PG role. He's never been offered that yet. The article paints him as nothing more than a reserve but I see more than that. Why couldn't he start, drive the bus full-time and deliver 15 ppg/6 assts? Those are Mike Conley numbers and that dude may get the max or close to it. Bayless, meanwhile, could probably be had for a 3-yr/$15-18mm deal total and very well could wind up offering up similar production. How is that idea not appealing? I honestly hope they're considering him and considering him in these terms. One of the better deals out there imo weighing expected cost vs. talent/potential production with increased usage.

EnySpree wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Bayless is one of my favorite players btw... never thought he got a fair shake is first few years in the nba

Absolutely. Same here. Look at the dude's talent level... Hard to argue in his favor because his NBA stats haven't been great--I get that--but he's a hunch guy for me, a feel guy and an eye test guy.. He's already proven that he can go for 10 ppg in the NBA with reserve-type usage. He's done that a few times now. And he proved last year that he's become a knockdown 3-pt shooter. In addition, he's got all the other qualities we're looking for in a lead guard upgrade--speed, quickness, tight handle, penetration, decent enough passer, real nice mid-range pull up game, can finish with hops.. I mean this isn't Chris Duhon here--this guy's always had serious talent.. My thing--what could he do with starter-type PT and usage? With 12-14 shots a game, instead of 7-8? I think he'd answer the bell. Also think he'd welcome the opportunity to come here if we offered a decent contract along with a starting PG role. He's never been offered that yet. The article paints him as nothing more than a reserve but I see more than that. Why couldn't he start, drive the bus full-time and deliver 15 ppg/6 assts? Those are Mike Conley numbers and that dude may get the max or close to it. Bayless, meanwhile, could probably be had for a 3-yr/$15-18mm deal total and very well could wind up offering up similar production. How is that idea not appealing? I honestly hope they're considering him and considering him in these terms. One of the better deals out there imo weighing expected cost vs. talent/potential production with increased usage.

If you go back to when he played in Portland... they didn't play him enough. When they became unhurt depleted he actually dominated for a stretch and was a Robin to Brandon Roy in the Patti's one year only to be a forgotten player the next season. He's old now and settled into a role, maybe even lost the confidence he had at that point of his career. Anyway I do agree that signing him to what he's worth is way better than over paying Conley to basically get the sane production. I think Conley is on the decline and is not like he was a bonified all star to begin with

Hear, hear!

overall - these are back up options which are nice to have but we have galloway already. Id be happy with bazemore or crabbe as the starter at 2. id even settle for one of those guys and keeping grant/jose at PG.

Jordan Bachynski - I think he'd be a real quality backup 5-man in the NBA.
Terrico White - Absolutely talented enough to play SG at the NBA level.
Jabari Brown - Ditto T. White. Real good scorer.
Corey Walden - Really impressed me this year. What this dude is is a better overall version of Langston Galloway. Better PG skills than Galloway. Not a star, but no real noticeable holes in his game.
Justin Harper - Nearly 6'10", a better version of Chris Copeland.
Khem Birch - Active shot-blocker/offensive rebounder, reminds me of Keon Clark/Amir Johnson.

Octavius Ellis - Similar to Khem Birch/Amir Johnson. This dude probably goes undrafted and may never make it. On the other hand I can see him surprising in SL ball for someone, possibly earning a roster spot somewhere. Dirty work guy that plays with real good energy.

I mean any of these guys would be a quality addition.

callmened wrote:i've always liked Khem Birch

He could definitely be a useful guy to put next to a Willy G. Let Willy G. man the 5 and score the ball in the post and this guy does the dirty work next to him. OR, we grab a Justin Harper who could equally complement Willy in the post but just in a different way (as a stretch 4). When I think about guys like these, it makes me feel like we could be a much improved club even if a lot of plan A, B and C guys go off the board quick or were never realistic targets for us to begin with. There's no shame in signing a couple of these league minimum guys for depth. They can all play.

nyknickzingis wrote:Need a couple wings that can shoot. Spread the floor around Melo and Porzingis. Jose is good at making the outside shot and will do well in Hornachecks version of the Triangle.

I'd like to get two players who can run the floor well, shoot 3's and defend. Team players as well not of the JR Smith mold.

Core rotation

Porzingis/Lopez
Melo/Williams
Dudley/Thomas
Daniels/Galloway
Calderon/Bayless

Even adding Dudley, Daniels and Bayless at the 3, 2 and 1 will help. All 3 guys are good 3 point shooters who are going to fit what Hornachek wants to accomplish. If we add a few players like that from the perimeter, and don't even make any major addition, with a better offense and more cohesion this team should win 10-12 more games and be in the lower 4 playoff spots in the East.

- Jose may be the worst and slowest PG in the league
- Bayless isnt a PG. hes a SG built like a PG thats always hurt
- Daniels was the 12th man last yr
- Dudley is a nice role player but always hurt and very slow

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- dont forget about grant. i actually think he could do very well in this system
- hopefully jose doesnt play major mins
- id sign up and settle for a PG rotation with grant and wroten as back up
- as long as we get a decent SG - such as crabbe or bazemore
- like BRIGGS said, id even over over pay for him $17-20 mill

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- thats really all im asking for. just get me a legit SG and i can live with whoever at PG
- i dont want to overspend on free agents that arent that good
- save the money for the FOLLOWING yr and see who you can get
- win 30-35 games and get a late lotto pick
- next yrs draft is SO stacked that you can get a PG or PF at pick #12