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Phil Jackson’s Lakers gloat: I warned you about Porzingis
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mreinman
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6/8/2016  2:16 PM
I know its Berman but it has actual PJax quotes. Why would Phil warn the lakers about NOT taking KP? Did he not want him for himself? I found this a bit strange. Were they hoping that the lakers would take KP, the sixers would of course take Russell and the Knicks get their perfect triangle big in Ok4?

http://nypost.com/2016/06/07/phil-jacksons-lakers-gloat-i-warned-you-about-porzingis/

Knicks president Phil Jackson claims he warned the Lakers they’d be sorry if they passed on Kristaps Porzingis at No. 2 in last June’s draft.

The Lakers instead selected point guard D’Angelo Russell, who had an up-and-down rookie year. The 7-foot-3 Porzingis fell to the Knicks at No. 4 and finished runner-up in the Rookie of the Year voting.

In excerpts obtained from MSG Network from its special airing Wednesday night on the Jeff Hornacek hiring, Jackson said: “We knew that [Porzingis] had a lot of talent. We saw that even in the workout with him shooting, and I had some fun with one of the Buss guys and I told him after [our] workout, ‘You guys are going to be sorry if you don’t pick up Porzingis with the second pick.’ They didn’t, we did.”

Jackson’s remark was a shot back at the Lakers, whose ex-coach Byron Scott said last month they passed on Porzingis because he looked out of shape in his L.A. workout.

Jackson’s fiancée is Lakers president Jeanie Buss, whose older brother Jimmy Buss is the team’s vice president of basketball operations.

“Watching him in the summer league, we thought he was really competitive, that’s what we wanted to see in the tapes study we did,’’ Jackson added. “But when we saw that he had the stamina to play 28 to 32 minutes, well, we thought maybe he was going to be a 20-to-22-minute guy because of his strength and his lack of size or weight. But we knew how competitive, and what an athletic talent he was, really to be able to have that stamina.’’

In the MSG Network special, Jackson went on to say there will be “no boundaries’’ between him and Hornacek in terms of giving his input. Jackson admitted that in Derek Fisher’s rookie year, he stepped back, hoping Fisher would rely on his experienced assistant coaches such as Kurt Rambis and Jim Cleamons. Fisher got fired in February, according to a source, for not communicating well with Jackson.

“One of the things that distinguished the relationship that I had with Derek is that perhaps I anticipated that the support staff that he had with him was going to be really influential in his learning experience, and [I was] trying to stay away from him because there was so much attention about he was one of my former players and he hadn’t been a coach,’’ Jackson said. “So my input was limited. Last year I started having more input in the relationship. … That’s the thing that I really think makes sense for good organizations — is that there are no boundaries between the coach, general manager, and president.

“If someone’s got something to contribute, then we want to hear it, we want to bring it up. We’ve got a video guy that’s coming to us and saying, ‘You gotta look at this’ — this is what we think is important, it should happen. We want to have an open opportunity for them to express that. So those are things that are really important.”

Ironically, Jackson set boundaries when he was coach of the Bulls and Lakers, getting into wars with GMs Jerry Krause and Jerry West, respectively.

MSG Network’s special is called “Jeff Hornacek: A Knicks Beginning” and airs at 6:30 p.m. Jackson, Hornacek and general manager Steve Mills give their insights into the shocking hiring.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/8/2016  2:20 PM
Looks like Phil was trying to play mind games so Okafor or Russell fell, and it ended up working out in a way that even he couldn't predict.
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6/8/2016  2:23 PM
Knixkik wrote:Looks like Phil was trying to play mind games so Okafor or Russell fell, and it ended up working out in a way that even he couldn't predict.

Yup ... seemed that way

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/8/2016  2:42 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Looks like Phil was trying to play mind games so Okafor or Russell fell, and it ended up working out in a way that even he couldn't predict.

Yup ... seemed that way

Phil is such a front runner sometimes. He loves to gloat but earlier it was you really have to wait and see 3-4 yrs down the road before you can determine a draft pick. How is it considered playing mind games when he said he tries to warn Buss' guys? Also, Why would you tell another staff before the draft how much they should draft a player you like?

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6/8/2016  2:58 PM
this kinda pissed me off... unless of course he was trying to use reverse psychology. I know the Knicks scouts did love KP
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6/8/2016  4:01 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:this kinda pissed me off... unless of course he was trying to use reverse psychology. I know the Knicks scouts did love KP

Thought the exact same thing... Why would he speak to anyone in LA (prior to the draft) regarding a pick, he'd want in NY?

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6/8/2016  4:09 PM
Perhaps Phil knew at that juncture they were deciding between Russell and Oka4, and having the 4th pick don't mean a thing cuz your taking who the Minny, Lakes and Philly don't. You guys really think "oh, Phil like the Latvian, maybe we should rethink our position???" Or "Wait, Phil like him, or is he just saying that so we take him but he really wants Oka4 so he wants us to take GodZingis??"

They worked him out and perhaps they already told Jeannie they'd pass on him and why. Thus, phil new Philly would likely take Russell and not another big.
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6/8/2016  4:36 PM
Phil table talked Buss like he was at a poker table basically. Talked up KP like he was chasing a straight, when really he was hoping for one of the Pocket Aces or Pocket Kings fell in Okafor or Russell. Only when KP turned out to be a winning hand did he reveal that he was chasing the straight the whole time.

Typical gambler logic.

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6/8/2016  5:13 PM
Yea I could go without anecdotes like this. The whole thing with our team president dating another team president is weird. The mind games idea is cool, but the whole thing with him and the Buss family is just weird.
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6/8/2016  6:03 PM
Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning
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6/8/2016  7:31 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

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6/8/2016  7:42 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon
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6/8/2016  7:51 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon

I have no doubt that the Knicks will start winning. This season didn't workout as I hoped but I think Phil and his staff will make the needed improvements. We know what this team needs and it's much less than last summer. There was roster progress even in this losing season.

We've only had to endure 2 losing seasons under Phil. One was necessary in order to draft KP. Last year was a fail but it also has led to hiring Hornacek so I'm not looking back on that either. Let's hope we can get the needed talent this summer.

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6/8/2016  7:53 PM
This is Phil just ribbing the Lakers.
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6/8/2016  7:55 PM
NYKBocker wrote:This is Phil just ribbing the Lakers.

Just glad the Knicks have something to gloat about for a change.

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6/8/2016  8:03 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Phil table talked Buss like he was at a poker table basically. Talked up KP like he was chasing a straight, when really he was hoping for one of the Pocket Aces or Pocket Kings fell in Okafor or Russell. Only when KP turned out to be a winning hand did he reveal that he was chasing the straight the whole time.

Typical gambler logic.

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6/8/2016  8:14 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon

I have no doubt that the Knicks will start winning. This season didn't workout as I hoped but I think Phil and his staff will make the needed improvements. We know what this team needs and it's much less than last summer. There was roster progress even in this losing season.

We've only had to endure 2 losing seasons under Phil. One was necessary in order to draft KP. Last year was a fail but it also has led to hiring Hornacek so I'm not looking back on that either. Let's hope we can get the needed talent this summer.

Yeah im hopeful of the future. I dont look back either. I try to be honest and positive at the same time
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6/8/2016  8:37 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon

I have no doubt that the Knicks will start winning. This season didn't workout as I hoped but I think Phil and his staff will make the needed improvements. We know what this team needs and it's much less than last summer. There was roster progress even in this losing season.

We've only had to endure 2 losing seasons under Phil. One was necessary in order to draft KP. Last year was a fail but it also has led to hiring Hornacek so I'm not looking back on that either. Let's hope we can get the needed talent this summer.

Yeah im hopeful of the future. I dont look back either. I try to be honest and positive at the same time

honest? not so sure bout that ...

you seem to have a hard time with critical thinking and taking emotion out of it.

You must love your kids to death so better to be this way than the opposite extreme I guess ...

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/8/2016  8:42 PM
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon

I have no doubt that the Knicks will start winning. This season didn't workout as I hoped but I think Phil and his staff will make the needed improvements. We know what this team needs and it's much less than last summer. There was roster progress even in this losing season.

We've only had to endure 2 losing seasons under Phil. One was necessary in order to draft KP. Last year was a fail but it also has led to hiring Hornacek so I'm not looking back on that either. Let's hope we can get the needed talent this summer.

Yeah im hopeful of the future. I dont look back either. I try to be honest and positive at the same time

honest? not so sure bout that ...

you seem to have a hard time with critical thinking and taking emotion out of it.

You must love your kids to death so better to be this way than the opposite extreme I guess ...

Yup my child is my first priority. As for the knicks i dont necessarily agree. Sure im a big sports fan but i dont put too much emotion into it because its only a game. Now when i play basketball im very competitive i admit
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6/8/2016  8:50 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Phil just cant help himself. It worked out great for us but he is in no position to gloat until we start winning

I could care less. Those guys dissed Phil bad back when they offered him the job but changed their minds and hired MDA. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed playing mind games and then rubbing it in later. He only has love for Jeanie, not Jim or anyone else in LA. This quirky stuff from Phil is part of the package. Pop has his issues as does Pat Riley, but they WIN!!! That's what really matters.

People talk ish about Phil now cuz the Knicks haven't won yet. Once they do people won't jack to say.

i agree about riley and pop. I dislike riley but he wins. Phil as a coach is a bigtime winner. As a team president it hasnt happened yet but hopefully will happen soon

I have no doubt that the Knicks will start winning. This season didn't workout as I hoped but I think Phil and his staff will make the needed improvements. We know what this team needs and it's much less than last summer. There was roster progress even in this losing season.

We've only had to endure 2 losing seasons under Phil. One was necessary in order to draft KP. Last year was a fail but it also has led to hiring Hornacek so I'm not looking back on that either. Let's hope we can get the needed talent this summer.

Yeah im hopeful of the future. I dont look back either. I try to be honest and positive at the same time

honest? not so sure bout that ...

you seem to have a hard time with critical thinking and taking emotion out of it.

You must love your kids to death so better to be this way than the opposite extreme I guess ...

Yup my child is my first priority. As for the knicks i dont necessarily agree. Sure im a big sports fan but i dont put too much emotion into it because its only a game. Now when i play basketball im very competitive i admit

shoot sorry! I thought I was responding to nixluva saying that he tries to be honest ... lol my bad

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Phil Jackson’s Lakers gloat: I warned you about Porzingis

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