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How do you pick up the pace with KP Lopez and Melo in unit 1
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BRIGGS
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6/8/2016  1:41 AM
Wow that is difficult. If anything--if Im looking at the Knicks--I WANT to run with them.
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6/8/2016  2:42 AM
put KP at the 5 and Melo at the 4. think we're going to see sets similar to what ran in the desert, with Melo in the Morris Twin stretch forward role, and KP in the Len/Channing Frye 5 role.

Lopez can come off the bench for 20-25 minutes a night assuming KP can handle the increased workload.

the bigger question is can we get a guard(s) to push the pace.

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6/8/2016  2:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2016  2:58 AM
Hubie Brown have an interview where he said Hornecek likes to use secondary transition breaks which use to be more popular in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Basically it's a fast pass from Rolo to a guard who then passes again to another guard or wing who either streaks up the Court to try to dunk (if they are ahead him)or who has get into position to shoot a 3 (behind him).

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/SecondaryBreak.html

Basically it's set transition plays based around moving the ball to a fast PG who is looking to pass it to shooters who are either looking to get to the corners or trailing a bit. If defenses play to deny the 3 ball it just lets the PG drive to the basket easier.

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6/8/2016  6:15 AM
I'd also like to think we can push the pace simply by having better/quicker decision making - we were too methodical and I think 'thought too much' when in our half court sets.

I'd like to think that is a combination of not being familiar with the system/the triangle being too hard to learn.

Hopefully, Hornacek fixes that.

If we don't start the year strong, I'd actually be happier losing a boat load of games rather than struggling towards 35-37 wins and missing the play offs. Because then that's another 5 years of mediocre basketball.

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6/8/2016  6:27 AM
wargames wrote:Hubie Brown have an interview where he said Hornecek likes to use secondary transition breaks which use to be more popular in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Basically it's a fast pass from Rolo to a guard who then passes again to another guard or wing who either streaks up the Court to try to dunk (if they are ahead him)or who has get into position to shoot a 3 (behind him).

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/SecondaryBreak.html

Basically it's set transition plays based around moving the ball to a fast PG who is looking to pass it to shooters who are either looking to get to the corners or trailing a bit. If defenses play to deny the 3 ball it just lets the PG drive to the basket easier.

Too technical dude... he's basically utilizing the trailer. They don't do that anymore because everyone is sliding out to the 3 point line even on fast breaks

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6/8/2016  8:18 AM
It's going to be very difficult to get these guys to run. Melo is a half court player rarely gets out on a break and rarely leads one. I just can't see Melo buying in, he resisted SSOL he probably resists this too.
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6/8/2016  9:01 AM
Vmart wrote:It's going to be very difficult to get these guys to run. Melo is a half court player rarely gets out on a break and rarely leads one. I just can't see Melo buying in, he resisted SSOL he probably resists this too.

If SSOL was the plan then why did we amnesty Billups in order to pair Tyson and Amare together? In the frontcourt. Y not use the money from the amnesty on young uptempo guards?

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6/8/2016  9:03 AM
Wouldn't call Rolo a speed demon, but he wasn't keeping the Knicks from running the ball when he was on the court. Lopez can play uptempo, might not be leading the break, but he can keep pace with his teammates.

It took a while for Calderon to get in the swing of things last season, but he did show that this team can run if the PG is doing his job setting up teammates. Grant didnt drive enough until the end of the season, wasn't enough production in the backcourt overall to facilitate an uptempo offense.

We got Wroten, and he will get to the rim enough for the defense to respect him, and leave some shooters open. Still believe we need a playoff proven PG, but Grant and Wroten should be able to push the tempo anyway.

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6/8/2016  9:25 AM
They are just starting to adjust the personnel. Last year was step one. Change the culture and get basketball players. They did a decent job in the front court and nothing in the backcourt.

Now they must develop Grant and add to the mix players that will push the team. Wroten fits that bill if healthy. Shooters are sorely needed, at the 1,2 and 3 (assuming Melo is more a 4, now)

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6/8/2016  9:27 AM
I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?
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6/8/2016  9:42 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Wow that is difficult. If anything--if Im looking at the Knicks--I WANT to run with them.

A lot of the running Hornacek is talking about are getting down quick off of missed shots by the other team and if we don't or aren't able to get down quick enough to get a good quick shot then i'm sure that's when they'll come down to set up the triangle offense.

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6/8/2016  9:48 AM
Vmart wrote:It's going to be very difficult to get these guys to run. Melo is a half court player rarely gets out on a break and rarely leads one. I just can't see Melo buying in, he resisted SSOL he probably resists this too.

The guy just changed his whole game to play the triangle offense so why wouldn't he buy into a system that he's already said he's excited to play in?? Enough with the Melo hate, the guy is a true professional and will do whatever to win especially now when he knows he's only got another 3/4 years of being a top player in the game and wants to win asap.

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6/8/2016  9:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

I think we'll have to go small a lot with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4.

We need to add some guards like Evan Turner, maybe Courtney Lee, who can play 2/3 and allow us to play smaller and faster.

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6/8/2016  9:52 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

Well he is the center and does play under the basket so it's pretty normal for the center to be the last guy down the court and he's a true center so he's a big slower guy.

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6/8/2016  10:00 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

Well he is the center and does play under the basket so it's pretty normal for the center to be the last guy down the court and he's a true center so he's a big slower guy.

I guess its a wait and see. Id like to load up on guards and cut everyones PT so we can stay fresh.

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6/8/2016  10:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

I think we'll have to go small a lot with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4.

We need to add some guards like Evan Turner, maybe Courtney Lee, who can play 2/3 and allow us to play smaller and faster.

If we could somehow get E.Turner, C.Lee and Seth Curry we would be absolutely set in our back court. E.Turner is a good defender who is good around 12-15 foot from the basket and can play 3 positions in the 1-2 and 3 and C.Lee and S.Curry can shoot the rock. I would be more than happy if we could come away with those three.

PG--S.Curry/J.Grant/T.Wroten
SG--E.Turner/C.Lee/T.Wroten
SF-Melo/E.Turner
PF-KP/Melo
C-Rolo/KP

If we could somehow also get D.Williams and L.Thomas to re-sign with us we would absolutely be a playoff team next season and could even make some noise in the playoffs and then in year two of that team with another $20 million with the cap rise and Calderon's $7 mil coming off the books and a 1st round pick.......Yes Please.

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6/8/2016  10:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

Well he is the center and does play under the basket so it's pretty normal for the center to be the last guy down the court and he's a true center so he's a big slower guy.

I guess its a wait and see. Id like to load up on guards and cut everyones PT so we can stay fresh.

Well first of all what do you think of my ideas in the post below yours and do you know how many men JH played in his rotations in Phoenix??

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6/8/2016  12:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think it will be an issue especially if the other team speeds up the game for our D. How many times did Rolo get beta downcourt?

How many times did Rolo get beat down court??

How does GS play fast with Bogut? How many times did he get beat down the court?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/8/2016  12:34 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:It's going to be very difficult to get these guys to run. Melo is a half court player rarely gets out on a break and rarely leads one. I just can't see Melo buying in, he resisted SSOL he probably resists this too.

The guy just changed his whole game to play the triangle offense so why wouldn't he buy into a system that he's already said he's excited to play in?? Enough with the Melo hate, the guy is a true professional and will do whatever to win especially now when he knows he's only got another 3/4 years of being a top player in the game and wants to win asap.

I'm not Melo hating. I'm just pointing out the obvious which so many here forget. The fact is he is a half court player. He didn't want the triangle that is why he was all in on Tibs. Tibs is a grind it out half court coach. He wants nothing to do with the triangle.

I don't get why people here think Melo had some sort monster year he had one of his worst season for him. He upped his assist by 1 and everything else went down. My personal feeling is he is going to want out by trade deadline. Top player? That is really pushing it Good/Decent player at best. Top contract yes.

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6/8/2016  12:37 PM
During KPs scouting report highlights during the draft. He showed flashes of a player who could move witbout the ball through screens for jumpers.

I wonder if JH will look to utilize that skill at all. Would be unique. Hoping for a game changer for us.

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