ive never been against any crawford trade. i said quite bluntly that i didnt think it would happen with what we were proposing --actually i didnt think chicago was willing to give him up because they are small at 2G and it appears as if im wrong. but i was never against crawford coming here antoine walker now that is who i dont want:>)

Salesguy from Hell: "oh that's 1 of our most popular models, but i tell you what...i'll give it to you for $25K & we'll throw in a free oil change every 3000 miles for the lifetime of your car"

Isiah: "hmm...$25K is just a little steep for my budget...how about $22K & you can keep your lifetime oil changes?"

Salesguy from Hell: "tell you what...i'll let it go for $35K & we'll charge you double for oil changes for the lifetime of your car"

LOL. LOL. LOL!! Love it!! Thats EXACTLY whats going on here. Tempting us in with a fair deal, then moving the goalposts (or rim if you prefer).

Grreat post

[Edited by - firefly on 08/03/2004 10:07:37]

Posted by TMS:

i realize you use your expiring contracts to improve your team...i have no problem if Isiah can still manage to get Dampier w/his remaining trade chips...but doesn't this all seem like a scene out of the car dealership from Hell??

Isiah: "hey, that's a nice car...what are you looking to get for it?"

Salesguy from Hell: "oh that's 1 of our most popular models, but i tell you what...i'll give it to you for $25K & we'll throw in a free oil change every 3000 miles for the lifetime of your car"

Isiah: "hmm...$25K is just a little steep for my budget...how about $22K & you can keep your lifetime oil changes?"

Salesguy from Hell: "tell you what...i'll let it go for $35K & we'll charge you double for oil changes for the lifetime of your car"

Isiah: "hmm...can i mull that over & get back to you?"

Hilarious.

Originally posted by TMS:

i realize you use your expiring contracts to improve your team...i have no problem if Isiah can still manage to get Dampier w/his remaining trade chips...but doesn't this all seem like a scene out of the car dealership from Hell??
Isiah: "hey, that's a nice car...what are you looking to get for it?"

Salesguy from Hell: "oh that's 1 of our most popular models, but i tell you what...i'll give it to you for $25K & we'll throw in a free oil change every 3000 miles for the lifetime of your car"

Isiah: "hmm...$25K is just a little steep for my budget...how about $22K & you can keep your lifetime oil changes?"

Salesguy from Hell: "tell you what...i'll let it go for $35K & we'll charge you double for oil changes for the lifetime of your car"

Isiah: "hmm...can i mull that over & get back to you?"

If you replace "Isiah" with "Paxson" and the "car salesman" with "Isiah," I'd agree with everything you said

Posted by Nalod:

Are we really to pay Craw 55mil over 6 years? Over 9 mil a year for him?

INflation is a bitch!

For this summer, that's not a bad deal. That's about what Q-Rich got and is a much better deal than Foyle, Derek Fish, Brian Cardinal, and most free agents.

Too bad FW's career high is 18pts while JC averaged that. Plus, JC, the chucker, has a better FG% than FW.

Its true! FW is better!

Posted by islesfan:

Crawford isn't much better, if at all, than Frank Williams so why are we looking to trade chips that we could use to get much needed front court help in Dampier and willing to pay him $10 million a year for 6 years? FW is a better pure PG, plays better defense and doesn't need to shoot 20 times a game to make an impact on a game. Don't we have enough guys who need the ball on offense (i.e. Marbury, Houston and TT)?

i disagree. crawford is better than frank. secondly, crawford was asked to do different things for the bulls than be a pure pg. he was their primary perimeter scorer. in fact, he usurped jay williams as the starting pg. he was asked to score as well. now frank is very good and is a good defender but in terms of potential, crawford is the better individual talent and i think a backcourt of him and marbury is better than him and frank. frank also can never really be a pure pg on this team b/c of marbury. secondly, h20's time needs to be limited and we really don't know what's going on with him. maybe isiah wants crawford as insurance. thirdly, crawford is still young and has many years to get better (which i think he will). i understand your gripe on giving up chips in this deal b/c our team need is frontcourt help but getting a SG is also right up there if you think about it. fourthly, we also get jyd who's energy and hustle has sorely been lacking on this team since oakley.

the other option is to stand pat and save the chips till the allstar break but is it worth it to pass up a player like this b/c these are the type of guys you get before they become major stars and crawford has the potential to be that. i have no problems making this deal nor do i have any problems not making this deal.

man, I love Frank's toughness. I love that he beat out Ward and Eisley, I love that he shoved Kidd then played him like a hawk on D. I dont want to lose him, but saying Crawford isnt much better is assanine. The #s for Crawford's contract are slightly below what Gilbert Arenas got (and he's overpaid). Thats where that # is coming from.

Frank's upside is a solid NBA point guard. I dont think he will ever be as good as Porter or Harper, but a poor mans version maybe.

Crawford's upside somewhere totally different. He's got physical skills Frank can only dream about. At times he's unguardable. He can soar for dunks and pass the ball on a string. He can also jack 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock when his team has a lead.

The thing that bugs me is Frank is a throw in. He only makes about 800k so his money doesnt impact the deal. We will see what the actual deal really is but in terms of talent the upgrade isnt negotiable. Craw can play at a hig level in the NBA, and has some sick skills plain and simple.

Nothings happened yet so we will see in a day or so.