Is this deal really that great? We lose all our bargaining chips and we have to keep Shandon.

Actually, there's no point in debating this trade. I just checked several old threads and found out that this trade is IMPOSSIBLE because BRIGGS has made it clear that no Crawford deal will occur

Posted by firefly:

it wasn't just hgh expectations. paxon agreed to shandon being in the deal. he is now changing his mind and, instead he expects us to give up every single asset we have, to pick up crawford to playmax 20 mins a night and one of his biggest financial headaches.

I really like crawford. I think he has great potential in the very near future. but I hope Isiah walks away from this one. we have better things to do. worst case scenario, we still got penny and frank

I'll agree with that. I think the fairest deal is with them getting Shandon, who fills a hole as a defensive swingman, and 3 expiring deals for Crawford and JYD. Tweaking the deal any further, in my opinion, will mean slighting one team.

this trade has a more realistic tone. really it's the knicks capitulating to the bulls demands of ending contracts +FW for Crawford and a bad contract. That nets the Bulls nearly 13+mm and gives them the vet help upfront with a big young PG who still is untapped.

We get the best player in the deal

It sounds like a reality -based deal now.

I am one of the people that would like to see Crawford a Knick next season and I hope a deal gets done. But if this is the only deal now that can bring him to NY, then Isiah should just walk away. Some say that Paxon is in the driver's seat because he doesn't have to make this deal. Well, we also don't have to make this deal to be a good team next season. Our biggest need is a center, and we get none out of this deal so this isn's a make or break trade. Some here are making it look like JYD is a big reason why this trade would help us a lot, but the fact is that he is in the trade because the Bulls don't want him. We get him in the trade? That's ok, but he isn't a reason to make this deal, he is just part of it. The real benefits of the former proposal was that we would get a young talent in Crawford and get rid of our worst contract in Shandon. Their benefits were trading two players they don't really want and getting expiring contracts to help them next offseason or in other trades.

Now, the new trade only gets us Crawford along with another bad contract. The fact that we don't trade one of our bad contracts as well and that we trade all of our expiring contracts leaves us with no room for more trades in the future and with a worse salary cap. People can't look at this as a talent-for-talent trade because that isn't the reason for the trade. The Bulls aren't trading to use our players to win, they do it for financial reasons, so if we don't take care of that aspect from our part we will be making a mistake. We get talent but we lose future opportunities. I like what I know about Craw, but he is no sure thing, and he doesn't come to fill our greatest need. A backup SG can be signed with half of the MLE.

Making this trade just to make a move would be a big mistake. With our frontcourt not really established yet and our big need for a center, losing flexibility would hurt our goal of being a contender in some seasons. At least the Shandon deal rid us from a bad contract. But this deal doesn't help us a lot, so I don't think that Isiah should do it.

Posted by codeunknown:

Knicksfan's analysis is right on. The value of 4 expiring deals totalling $11 mil can go a long way in a trade, they must not be squandered in a deal that have us taking back another long contract tied to a relatively useless player. If they take Shandon, Ill take back both JYD and ERob, but not otherwise.

If they want to minimally reduce the deal, Ill do Deke and Frank and cash for Crawford, if that works. Its amusing to me to think that Paxson would try and leverage the deal to the extent where they don't have to take Shandon. With 4 expiring deals and throwing in Hinrich, they could attempt to steal J Kidd at the deadline. There are other possibilities too. And if Crawford isn't traded (no other teams appear to be interested), he'll leave for nothing next summer.

i like your thinking, most knick fans are growing impatient, but right now, we don't have to make any deals too soon, our raw team is good enough to be amazing in teh east. more concern should be brought to houston's knees.

why would u want curry, he's bloated, physically, not financially, and he's the epitome of lazyness and inconsistency.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by timmyTtop:

why would u want curry, he's bloated, physically, not financially, and he's the epitome of lazyness and inconsistency.

That weight thing is really something surprising and frustrating for the Bulls, and they believe that he may need to change his address to become something in the NBA.

... and they believe? im sure they'll believe sweetney frank williams and kurt thomas is fair for crawford too.

Posted by tkf:

paxon can go screw himself, really, now we have to keep anderson? that sucks, really a big benifit of this trade was getting rid of his albatross contract.... I like craw a lot but 11 mil in expiring deals come trade deadline can really make the knicks a player in big deals... You know that there will be some loser organizations dumping primo talent for expiring deals, I think the knicks have some interesting young pieces, in frankie, sweetney, ariza and Dj to develop, the core of marbs, Houston, TT, Kt, naz, can keep us competitive until the trade deadline, I really want craw but not at the expense of dumb azz paxon trying to stick it to us...

Agreed. Our contracts will be worth more at the deadline anyway. Walk away, Zeke.

Wow; I actually agree with Briggs on this one.

You are NOT going to get a player more talented than Crawford with a few tiny expiring contracts.

The four expiring contracts may total around $10 mil, but they are not nearly as good as having one expiring contract worth that amount because they force a team to use up four roster spots. Can anyone actually name a young player more talented than Crawford that has been obtained with a bunch of tiny expiring contracts?

As for SG not being a need, I dis agree. No NBA player has ever returned from microfracture surgery to be even 50% of the player he previously was and Isiah realizes that you can't expect much from Houston. C and SG are our two biggest needs and SG is more addressable this summer because we don't have the right assets to get Dampier.

I'd like to see Isiah add Jamal, JYD, Baker, and Gadzuric this summer.