FORGET IT ALREADY! next thing the Bulls will be asking for Stephon Marbury next or no deal...this is ridiculous! if they want to keep him that bad, let them keep him & move on! freakin' PAXSON & his demands...gimme a break already.

Well this actually sounds like a realistic trade. All the other offers seemed straight out of fantasy bball. It would make more sense for the Bulls to push E-Rob to us over JYD thou.

I dunno. We get roster spots open but.... One of the best things about the original trade i thought was that we got rid of our second worse contract and a guy who is quite frankly, useless.

And for all our chips, what are we getting in return? Even if JC ends up being the third coming, with Houston healthy he wont be starting for at leasta year. And if JYD is as good as advertised, how comes he cant stay with one team for more then a year or two?

So we dole out more long term bucks, and were left with the same cr*p we had before.

Whats the use?


P.S. Im not being pessimistic, but i dont think Isiah should make a move just for the sake of it, and thats what this would be.

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's the same deal minus the E-Rob/Shandon component. So we still robb them, just not quite as badly. I could accept it!

getting rid of Shandon was almost HALF of what i liked about that trade to begin with...forget it...why should the Knicks take back JYD's contract if they're not going to take on Shandon's? no deal i say...JC can take the qualifying offer for a year & become an UFA in the offseason & they can lose him for nothing for all i care...F John Paxson & his stupid demands, as if he were in the driver's seat here...let him deal w/an unhappy player for a whole year & create another bad situation at the SG position if he wants...the Knicks have other options open to them.

F John Paxson & his stupid demands, as if he were in the driver's seat here...let him deal w/an unhappy player for a whole year & create another bad situation at the SG position if he wants...the Knicks have other options open to them.

Damn skippy! Good post.

We have better things to do with our money

isnt this what you use expiring contracts for? Getting a player you covet? This deal is just how you rate Crawford plain and simple. If you see the guy that scored 50 points, the guy that has gotten MUCH better EVERY year he's been in the league, the guy that can play both guard spots, the guy that almost unguardable one on one, the guy that can split defender and soar for a dunk, or pass the rock on a line, the guy thats 24 years old... if you see that guy them make the trade. Where do I sign?

If you see the guy whose FG% has gone down each of the last 3 years and has never played on a teams thats one 20 games your worried, and maybe you pass.

Personally I do it. I like Frank, always have, but you lose 3 guys that older, dont play and have absolutely no roll here, and you replace them with 2 very high energy player. JYD's skills are limited, but his energy isnt. Look at his minutes. Give him minutes he gives you double doubles, give him 10 minutes he comes out with floor burns and to a standing ovation.

The thought of dumping Shandon waas too good to be true. We get the most talented player in the deal, and we lose Frank. I dont like that. He showed toughness shoving Kidd, then guarding him like a dog in those two MSG games. Too little too late but these are the kinds of guys we want our roster full off.

Too me this would just be another wait and see if Isiah is right. I would have no beef either way.

Just out of interest. Who are the agents for all the rest of the players in this deal? Why is Goodwin the only one involved?

But if you expand the deal a little, we are losing almost any chance of getting Dampier or Walker. So we're missing out on the best front-court players.

But, on the other hand, I suppose Isiah would only do this deal if all the others were dead already.

Funny thing is, we all hear and speculate about rumours day in and day out,. but when the deals happen, there always seems to be something different that nobody thought of before in there. Hopefully in this case it will be moochie. Picking up jeffries just to keep Othella or Deke would be very useful for other deals.


[Edited by - firefly on 08/02/2004 19:03:27]

the reason why goodwin is the only one involved is because he's an involved agent, hence the #1 agent in america after landing lebron james. also, the other players are kind of wishy washy about even being in the deal, considering new players are dismissed and added every other day. also, they really arent fighting for a contract or extension for that matter, its jc's bank account that'll be growin, no one elses. but aside from this, how much would we be paying jc anyway, cuz if he's only playing 15-20 mins first year or two, is he worth the 8 or 9 mil we'd be spending? just bc his contract that we'd give him isnt throught he roof like houstons, doesn't mean we may not be overpaying him.