Jackson talked for 2 years as if he wanted to implement the Triangle.

And he implicitly admitted that that's NOT what they were doing 100%
before Rambis took over from Fisher (else . . . why have the workshop
on Triangle basics, if they didn't need them ??).

So what kind of a chance did Rambis really get (?)

What kind of chance did the Triangle really get (?)

This Hornacek hire seems like nonsense to me.

Where's the continuity . . . across the board (?)

Where's the confidence building in the Triangle Culture . . . which is
multi-leveled with many stages of development.

Knicks were making good progress in building Triangle Culture.

Even with the Fisher debacle.

This Hornacek hire looks like a complete disruption to the process . . .

Rambis and Fisher were not the guys to implement the Triangle.

Hornacek is smart enough to do it. And smart enough to know how to tweak it for his personnel in ways that Rambis and Fisher did not get.

Malcolm wrote:Rambis is a Triangle coach . . . and the Triangle isn't implemented in a day.

Jackson talked for 2 years as if he wanted to implement the Triangle.

And he implicitly admitted that that's NOT what they were doing 100%
before Rambis took over from Fisher (else . . . why have the workshop
on Triangle basics, if they didn't need them ??).

So what kind of a chance did Rambis really get (?)

What kind of chance did the Triangle really get (?)

This Hornacek hire seems like nonsense to me.

Where's the continuity . . . across the board (?)

Where's the confidence building in the Triangle Culture . . . which is
multi-leveled with many stages of development.

Knicks were making good progress in building Triangle Culture.

Even with the Fisher debacle.

This Hornacek hire looks like a complete disruption to the process . . .

Phil is no fool. He wants the team to win and he knows that there is more than one way to do that!!! He didn't always run the Triangle but came to appreciate how it fosters GROUP play and unselfishness, but he also knows that's not the only way to achieve that goal. The Triangle was a means to an end, but the GOAL has not changed.

Also the OVERALL SYSTEM is still the Triangle. What JH does within that overall system will be tweaked but the total system encompasses more than a Screen or PnR play within that system. The RULES of the Triangle should still be there governing actions such as when to cut, set a down screen etc. people forget that beyond the spacing there are automatics that the players must all recognize when the defense does a certain thing. That part of the Triangle can still be there but the "Audibles" so to speak may change. Jerian or Wroten calling for a PnR or some other action may increase. This is just an enhancement of the Triangle System and not necessarily an abandonment of it.

I have no doubt JH also learned some things in Pho and has some better ideas how to navigate the coaching pitfalls.

nixluva wrote:Phil is no fool.

Should have hired Rambis from day one.

And has now probably made the same mistake . . . again.

fishmike wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some of you are mad already? You wanted some transient moment that explains the universe?
Did he get a fair chance? Most likely not.
Maybe this is for recruiting. Maybe Durant told a friend "Bring Abby Hornacek and I'll sign with Knicks"!!!
Until Phil's Files are made public, we just don't know.
But, it appears to be a coninuence of the existing schematic that is Trianglish.

Or maybe . . . Jackson has just screwed up BIG TIME.

Or maybe . . . there is pirate gold in my basement.

Malcolm you are working to hard to find something negative.

nah that's just your porn stash

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil is no fool.

He hired Fisher . . . which is not evidence for Jackson being fool-proof.

Should have hired Rambis from day one.

And has now probably made the same mistake . . . again.

WHAT??? Fish had very experienced assistants and he chose not to foster a tight relationship with Phil. I'm pretty sure that Fish said he WANTED more from Phil, but then he did the complete opposite when the cameras weren't on him. That's not Phil's fault. That was Fish being a dick.

Rambis had a shot and he really wasn't even close to impressive enough to win the job. He needed to show something as the Head coach to make it easy for Phil but he didn't.

Hornacek was an inspired choice. He's got great concepts offensively and should be great for the younger players on this team. They're still gonna run some Triangle but will add some other things to better take advantage of the talents of these young players. Horny is a believer in TEAM play and his offense wasn't stagnant. That's what Phil wants!!! Horny also uses modern concepts of more efficient basketball which is a good thing. I can't see any reason to not be happy about this move.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil is no fool.

He hired Fisher . . . which is not evidence for Jackson being fool-proof.

Should have hired Rambis from day one.

And has now probably made the same mistake . . . again.

WHAT??? Fish had very experienced assistants and he chose not to foster a tight relationship with Phil. I'm pretty sure that Fish said he WANTED more from Phil, but then he did the complete opposite when the cameras weren't on him. That's not Phil's fault. That was Fish being a dick.

Rambis had a shot and he really wasn't even close to impressive enough to win the job. He needed to show something as the Head coach to make it easy for Phil but he didn't.

Hornacek was an inspired choice. He's got great concepts offensively and should be great for the younger players on this team. They're still gonna run some Triangle but will add some other things to better take advantage of the talents of these young players. Horny is a believer in TEAM play and his offense wasn't stagnant. That's what Phil wants!!! Horny also uses modern concepts of more efficient basketball which is a good thing. I can't see any reason to not be happy about this move.

Phil has definetly made some mistakes in terms of his coaches. However i like the hornacek hire a lot

Phil originally wanted Kerr! He then changed up and hired a young guy and put vet assistants around him. What happened with Fish was mostly about Fish not being a stand up guy as he held himself out to be. Fish is the one that pushed Phil away and so he made his own bed. I don't view it as Phil having the wrong idea in trying to mentor a young coaching talent. Fish was known as a guy that young teammates looked up to and listened to. Fish was the one that stood up to Kobe and spoke in the locker room. So he did show some talent to be a leader. That's what Phil was thinking.

As Phil said today, it was really just one coach even tho the media tries to make it sound like it was Woody, Fish, Rambis. It was really only Fish and Rambis being an interim coach for part of a season isn't the same as hiring a coach to start a season as with Hornacek. Two full seasons and now his 2nd Head Coach hired. Not really as bad as many try to make it sound.

matt wrote:Who cares? He had a fair chance in Minnesota and sucked. And sucked for the short time he had here.

No need to castrate the dude. On to the next. Positive vibes

CrushAlot wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Rambis is a Triangle coach . . . and the Triangle isn't implemented in a day.

Jackson talked for 2 years as if he wanted to implement the Triangle.

And he implicitly admitted that that's NOT what they were doing 100%
before Rambis took over from Fisher (else . . . why have the workshop
on Triangle basics, if they didn't need them ??).

So what kind of a chance did Rambis really get (?)

What kind of chance did the Triangle really get (?)

This Hornacek hire seems like nonsense to me.

Where's the continuity . . . across the board (?)

Where's the confidence building in the Triangle Culture . . . which is
multi-leveled with many stages of development.

Knicks were making good progress in building Triangle Culture.

Even with the Fisher debacle.

This Hornacek hire looks like a complete disruption to the process . . .

Rambis was also the interim coach. He never was hired permanently to be the head coach. I don't think it is a stretch to say the team struggled under him. He did not win much during his audition for the job and I don't think the players gave him a positive review at the exit meetings.