Get ready for Modern Triangle
9:30AM

Tommy Dee

With the announcement that the Knicks have secured their head coach by agreeing to a 3-year deal with Jeff Hornacek, several people close to the situation have informed me that the triangle will live on in a more "modern" form.

What this means, at least at this stage, remains unclear but when you factor in what we know about how Phil Jackson sees the overall "system" of basketball being structured, there is still room for many of the triangle's principles.

Jackson has reiterated many times when asked about the "modern" NBA game, one centered around pace and space, that transition off of solid team defense triggers great offense. If you've watched the playoffs you know that this still very much applies. Golden State's Game 7 victory over Oklahoma City, in comparison to their blowout losses in Games 3 and 4, centered around tight team half court defense and the shots that came off turnovers and rebounds, not necessarily just playing "small ball."

Hornacek, I'm told, convinced Jackson in their initial meeting that the key to a modern version of the triangle starts with playing faster -- a notion that was first instilled by another former Suns head coach, Mike D'Antoni. Pushing pace, especially off misses, creates transition opportunities and just as importantly also creates mismatches if a team doesn't score off the initial fast break. The Knicks were one of the worst all-around transition teams in the NBA last year.

By pushing pace and creating mismatches, the triangle principles can be instilled in high post entries that Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis can feast on, especially if the other team has gone "small." Imagine Porzingis shooting elbow jumpers over smaller players all night long, or getting wide open looks as the first screener in secondary transition?

The triangle has been largely criticized for being antiquated, an idea that has been dismissed by many basketball people across the league, but the Knicks undoubtedly need a more modern approach as a team. If they can solve their transition issues, namely getting back on defense off Carmelo Anthony isolation misses, it will lead to a more balanced result in the easy basket category.

Hornacek is here to modernize Jackson's system approach, and his three-year contract signifies that it's time for the Knicks to put all their resources into winning more basketball games. The team does not have their first round pick in the upcoming draft but they are rumored to again be interested in trading for a pick.

With the free agency period coming up, it will be imperative that they upgrade their talent to be able to apply the modern approach and play a much faster game than they did this year.

It's not going to be an easy task, but based on Hornacek's track record in terms of playing with pace, Jackson hopes he's found the right person to carry the triangle system into the modern era of the NBA.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Short article from Tommy Dee. I would've loved a bit more in depth examination of how the Triangle could be tweaked beyond just pushing the pace, but there will be plenty of time to get into that after we see how JH handles the Summer League and Preseason. I have my own thoughts on the subject. Fish did try some new stuff but he seemed to have a very disjointed way of blending new stuff into the Triangle. Perhaps JH will be much better at making changes that won't work in fits and starts.

Get ready for Modern Triangle
9:30AM

Tommy Dee

With the announcement that the Knicks have secured their head coach by agreeing to a 3-year deal with Jeff Hornacek, several people close to the situation have informed me that the triangle will live on in a more "modern" form.

What this means, at least at this stage, remains unclear but when you factor in what we know about how Phil Jackson sees the overall "system" of basketball being structured, there is still room for many of the triangle's principles.

Jackson has reiterated many times when asked about the "modern" NBA game, one centered around pace and space, that transition off of solid team defense triggers great offense. If you've watched the playoffs you know that this still very much applies. Golden State's Game 7 victory over Oklahoma City, in comparison to their blowout losses in Games 3 and 4, centered around tight team half court defense and the shots that came off turnovers and rebounds, not necessarily just playing "small ball."

Hornacek, I'm told, convinced Jackson in their initial meeting that the key to a modern version of the triangle starts with playing faster -- a notion that was first instilled by another former Suns head coach, Mike D'Antoni. Pushing pace, especially off misses, creates transition opportunities and just as importantly also creates mismatches if a team doesn't score off the initial fast break. The Knicks were one of the worst all-around transition teams in the NBA last year.

By pushing pace and creating mismatches, the triangle principles can be instilled in high post entries that Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis can feast on, especially if the other team has gone "small." Imagine Porzingis shooting elbow jumpers over smaller players all night long, or getting wide open looks as the first screener in secondary transition?

The triangle has been largely criticized for being antiquated, an idea that has been dismissed by many basketball people across the league, but the Knicks undoubtedly need a more modern approach as a team. If they can solve their transition issues, namely getting back on defense off Carmelo Anthony isolation misses, it will lead to a more balanced result in the easy basket category.

Hornacek is here to modernize Jackson's system approach, and his three-year contract signifies that it's time for the Knicks to put all their resources into winning more basketball games. The team does not have their first round pick in the upcoming draft but they are rumored to again be interested in trading for a pick.

With the free agency period coming up, it will be imperative that they upgrade their talent to be able to apply the modern approach and play a much faster game than they did this year.

It's not going to be an easy task, but based on Hornacek's track record in terms of playing with pace, Jackson hopes he's found the right person to carry the triangle system into the modern era of the NBA.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/get-ready-for-modern-triangle/181678238

Valentine and Barber--two PGs who have different skill sets yet can be equally effective in a faster version of pace from the PG position. One can create mismatch with size and great passing ability the other creates with incredible raw speed and ballhandling.

It's good to find out that Horny is doing the workouts with Phil. They got right to work as a new team. I wonder if they'll bring in Valentine n Barber? Barber I would guess is on the list but Valentine being a higher rated prospect may not. I hope so but its hard to know just yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/738551099678969856

nixluva wrote:Short article from Tommy Dee. I would've loved a bit more in depth examination of how the Triangle could be tweaked beyond just pushing the pace, but there will be plenty of time to get into that after we see how JH handles the Summer League and Preseason. I have my own thoughts on the subject. Fish did try some new stuff but he seemed to have a very disjointed way of blending new stuff into the Triangle. Perhaps JH will be much better at making changes that won't work in fits and starts.

Get ready for Modern Triangle
9:30AM

Tommy Dee

With the announcement that the Knicks have secured their head coach by agreeing to a 3-year deal with Jeff Hornacek, several people close to the situation have informed me that the triangle will live on in a more "modern" form.

What this means, at least at this stage, remains unclear but when you factor in what we know about how Phil Jackson sees the overall "system" of basketball being structured, there is still room for many of the triangle's principles.

Jackson has reiterated many times when asked about the "modern" NBA game, one centered around pace and space, that transition off of solid team defense triggers great offense. If you've watched the playoffs you know that this still very much applies. Golden State's Game 7 victory over Oklahoma City, in comparison to their blowout losses in Games 3 and 4, centered around tight team half court defense and the shots that came off turnovers and rebounds, not necessarily just playing "small ball."

Hornacek, I'm told, convinced Jackson in their initial meeting that the key to a modern version of the triangle starts with playing faster -- a notion that was first instilled by another former Suns head coach, Mike D'Antoni. Pushing pace, especially off misses, creates transition opportunities and just as importantly also creates mismatches if a team doesn't score off the initial fast break. The Knicks were one of the worst all-around transition teams in the NBA last year.

By pushing pace and creating mismatches, the triangle principles can be instilled in high post entries that Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis can feast on, especially if the other team has gone "small." Imagine Porzingis shooting elbow jumpers over smaller players all night long, or getting wide open looks as the first screener in secondary transition?

The triangle has been largely criticized for being antiquated, an idea that has been dismissed by many basketball people across the league, but the Knicks undoubtedly need a more modern approach as a team. If they can solve their transition issues, namely getting back on defense off Carmelo Anthony isolation misses, it will lead to a more balanced result in the easy basket category.

Hornacek is here to modernize Jackson's system approach, and his three-year contract signifies that it's time for the Knicks to put all their resources into winning more basketball games. The team does not have their first round pick in the upcoming draft but they are rumored to again be interested in trading for a pick.

With the free agency period coming up, it will be imperative that they upgrade their talent to be able to apply the modern approach and play a much faster game than they did this year.

It's not going to be an easy task, but based on Hornacek's track record in terms of playing with pace, Jackson hopes he's found the right person to carry the triangle system into the modern era of the NBA.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/get-ready-for-modern-triangle/181678238

Good read, thanks Nix. As long as Phil is willing to let JH run some of what he wants to run while still working the triangle in i don't think it'll be a problem but could take some time for the team to adjust and for JH to instill exactly what he wants or how he wants the offense ran. It's actually a good idea to keep some triangle and maybe just simplify it some cause it'll help our big 3 since they ran the triangle last year. I'm excited for things to get going with the draft, free agency, summer league and the season. I'm a little worried about this press conference because Phil pretty much says what's on his mind and can be a little to honest and you know the new york media are gonna throw questions at him to try to get the kind of answers that'll make him and the way he went about the hiring of JH look bad but whatever i'm ready to watch it.

Does anyone know when and where this press conference will be??

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sounds like the Triangle LIVES!!!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/738551099678969856

yeah you can call it the "triangle" but then YOU can call ANY SYSTEM the triangle.
smh. this whole modern version of the triangle (which by the way is exactly what GSW runs) is so far removed from the traditional halfcourt triangle offense, that this is Hornacek trying to save face for his prez by saying...
It doesn't walk like a duck much, it doesn't quack like a duck much, but since it does walk and quack like a duck at least a little, it IS a duck and that's what we will call it Phil......when in reality, it's a completely different animal.

meanwhile in jax apologist world here...all ducks are birds, therefore all birds are ducks.

before anything has been said from the coach or executives about what offense the team will run next year, you have already come to a conclusion and then labeled others as apologists.

Not having it. Best you wait and see what actually does happen.

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sounds like the Triangle LIVES!!!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/738551099678969856

yeah you can call it the "triangle" but then YOU can call ANY SYSTEM the triangle.
smh. this whole modern version of the triangle (which by the way is exactly what GSW runs) is so far removed from the traditional halfcourt triangle offense, that this is Hornacek trying to save face for his prez by saying...
It doesn't walk like a duck much, it doesn't quack like a duck much, but since it does walk and quack like a duck at least a little, it IS a duck and that's what we will call it Phil......when in reality, it's a completely different animal.

meanwhile in jax apologist world here...all ducks are birds, therefore all birds are ducks.

before anything has been said from the coach or executives about what offense the team will run next year, you have already come to a conclusion and then labeled others as apologists.

Not having it. Best you wait and see what actually does happen.

We are all going off the beginning of this thread right? that talks about modern triangle and space and pace.
My statements are based on the thread itself being accurate and the twitter comment being referenced as an accurate statement.

i do agree that it could turn out that hornacek will run more traditional halfcourt triangle offense, but that seems very doubtful, don't you think?

I think you turned what could happen into something that you hold against anyone who may disagree with you and then called them apologists. I don't know what that is.

Cartman718 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I just think the pace was the biggest issue we had..Fishers plan in summer league to quicken the pace inside the triangle was what the knicks needed, and it was what Melo, Grant, Kp, dwill and galloway needed the most.

hopefully hornacek sees it that way. instead of trying to run the majority of his offense in the halfcourt.

IMO Fish wasn't able to get the team to play faster on a consistent basis and his attempts to have the Knicks run more PnR and 4 out looks was also sloppy. I suspect that JH will be better in getting all of that to work much more smoothly. There's really no reason why any team can't run while still using the Triangle as the halfcourt system. Pushing the ball and looking for early offense doesn't run counter to Triangle. PnR is already something you can run in the Triangle and Tex's own HAND WRITTEN plays had PnR in them. JH should be just fine as long as Phil can upgrade the talent on the team.

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ThomasCDee/status/738841023753945088

Yeah that stuff he did with them is gonna be right at home with KP and Melo. The possible Guard upgrades plus more uptempo, PnR, Jerian and Wroten will be a huge boost to the team IMO. There were times where this team just needed a few more easy buckets. Just pushing the pace and getting a few more easy buckets could've made the difference. Sure this team needed more talent but also just some simple things would've also helped.

the Knicks weren't getting blown out every night. Often it was a close game that they simply couldn't pull out. Hopefully Horny gets them a lot more easy scoring so it's not a struggle every time down.