ex NBA NYK Donnie Walsh prez/gm knew. The direction of the knicks was #7th pick in past NBA draft.

Where does plan for evaluating the NBA system of talents in college level fall on ?
NBA NYK owners ? or right people surrounding them such as Draft management/personnel, and its importance.
Especially after Knicks 'missed out' on GS star Steph Curry.

Sure I am not crazy to realize this ain't Knicks Fault, your team had to be lucky that a Steph Curry was on draft board
in the 1st place. Also Donnie Walsh ex-prez was right on target with all his valued homework on Steph Curry being 'THE Guy'.

Futhermore, interesting S.Curry wanted to be a NY Knick VERY very badly. Didn't happen, close but no cigar.
You'd Think our Org. would change it's philosophy on value/gold of NBA Drafting ? Hmmmmm I am not sure about that.
In that that ain't a Phil J, Or Coaching issue. Believe its the other Knicks bosses whom point to their drafting plan/methods.

Donnie Walsh was to be a hero, Steph Curry wanted NY Knicks all along in ill fated NBA DRAFT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/14/sports/basketball/stephen-curry-wanted-to-play-in-new-york-but-fate-intervened.html?_r=0

I am sure this been talked about in past, even long before Carmelo Anthony settled into NewYork several years ago
which now seems like forever.

However the direction of our/my beloved Knicks was right where Donnie Walsh wanted it
opportunity to DRAFT Steph Curry, a lock if Knicks didn't have GS Warriors right before them.

Point the DJ is simply stating here is we know NBA DRAFTING isn't Knicks bra_ss Or org. strongpoint in the past 1-2 decades
period.

The Importance of NBA drafting and building towards getting picks is something NY Knicks have far ignored
because of lack of patience & insight onto success lots of other teams not named BULLs, SPURs, HEAT, past LAKERs and so on.
(i.e. OKC Thunder, Warriors, past Pistons, Rockets, etc)

ALL I am saying is regardless of whom's coaching Or GM there is no one in pro sports whom isn't building title
contenders without USER and homework, legwork of the valued tool called DRAFT.

Knicks get a pass here of course cause of 'Luck' of GS Warriors had same intent for Steph Curry as NY Knicks had for
that pick of Curry, which if KNICKS got that of course was going to change & improve this NYK organization fortunes
for years to come to compete at NBA level as contenders.

I am not sure if that failure is KNICKs J.Dolan ? or Scouting, folks whom are brought into organization to assess things like NBA draft, salary caps and stuff towards evaluating talents (e.g. next Michael, Kobe, Bird, Lebron, Durant, Wade ..etc)
NBA League been getting fast younger & younger since a 18-19 yr. old Lebron first came into NBA & blossomed.

What do you think ? ? ?

Knixkik wrote:Walsh had his opportunities. Knicks were talking trade with Minnesota. If Dantoni and Walsh really wanted Curry that bad, they could have overpaid to move up 2 slots. They had Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Nate Robinson all as young trade chips. I really believe the number #8 pick and Wilson Chandler would have been all that was needed. If not, add additional draft or cash compensation. It may have been perceived as a bad deal at first, but that is what these guys are paid to do, take calculated risks. It would have paid off but Walsh fell short. He had the opportunity to move up for him, that much is obvious.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

The problem is, we had the foresight and did nothing about it. We wanted Steph, knew he would be good, and was coming into the league underrated because everyone was so focused on his weaknesses. I was very surprised he didn't go #3 to OKC. I was even more surprised that Sacramento and Minnesota (twice) passed him over. We had no idea he would change the game today and be an MVP, but a lot of us, included Donnie, felt he was a sure thing to be at least a very good player. He had the opportunity to do something about it, armed with trade chips and a trade partner in Minn, and couldn't get it done. That is the most disappointing part.

Foresight requires planning and thinking ahead. The Knicks wanted Curry but they weren't willing to go all in. Which means tanking and they didn't do it.

You want to see foresight you have to see Cleveland and what hokey shyt show the NBA is. Knowing full well that NBA is all invested into LeBron they create a way to get LeBron into a spot light (Miami) all the while making sure that Cleveland gets better for his return (3 overall number one picks).

Phil is planning the other GMs the Knicks had were doing everything on the fly. The thing about NBA is you have to create a position where a team can be lucky you have to be all in there is no half assing it.

Nalod wrote:look me in the eye and tell me he would not have been included in the trade for Melo.
And........
Few if any thought curry would be this good.

Curry would've been traded for peanuts, due to his lack of defense and gunner mentality, which is not your typical NYC Mark Jackson or Charlie Ward type of PG. He would've been moved to the SG and the NY paper and fans would say he's a tweener.....SG in a PG body. He would've been the first player traded for Melo!

This environment is poison for rookies. Grant is a good example of a very good player, who looks very marginal. As we all saw, he turned into a very good player towards the end of the season, since there was no pressure and his playing time was given to him based on other player injuries. This is why some of the young guys we had leave and blossom in other system environments.

We have to change that culture here and learn how to bring in young players and nurture them into being an impact player, instead of shipping them out so fast. Phil has done a great job so far, starting a youth development system in NY. Something we haven't seen in years, if not ever!

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

The problem is, we had the foresight and did nothing about it. We wanted Steph, knew he would be good, and was coming into the league underrated because everyone was so focused on his weaknesses. I was very surprised he didn't go #3 to OKC. I was even more surprised that Sacramento and Minnesota (twice) passed him over. We had no idea he would change the game today and be an MVP, but a lot of us, included Donnie, felt he was a sure thing to be at least a very good player. He had the opportunity to do something about it, armed with trade chips and a trade partner in Minn, and couldn't get it done. That is the most disappointing part.

Foresight requires planning and thinking ahead. The Knicks wanted Curry but they weren't willing to go all in. Which means tanking and they didn't do it.

You want to see foresight you have to see Cleveland and what hokey shyt show the NBA is. Knowing full well that NBA is all invested into LeBron they create a way to get LeBron into a spot light (Miami) all the while making sure that Cleveland gets better for his return (3 overall number one picks).

Phil is planning the other GMs the Knicks had were doing everything on the fly. The thing about NBA is you have to create a position where a team can be lucky you have to be all in there is no half assing it.

My point is, we had the opportunity and desire to acquire Curry during the draft, and made the decision not to.

Sangfroid wrote:Don Nelson, former Knick coach, took Curry one pick ahead of Walsh, to stick it to the Knicks. It worked.

My Don Nelson voodoo doll has so many holes in it, I am surprised the real DN doesn't leak fluids like a sieve