yellowboy90 wrote:Is there away. Lopez and the 2017 pick after the draft? I know people are against trading 1st rd picks but Noel only recently turned 22. That's. Like drafting a seasoned college senior.

Someone show the way then talk to Phil.

are you freakin crazy, yellow?? what the heck got into you? Lopez and our 2017? I would not do that for our 2017 straight up ... have we learned nothing? Did not expect this from you especially when we are not getting an orlando player.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Is there away. Lopez and the 2017 pick after the draft? I know people are against trading 1st rd picks but Noel only recently turned 22. That's. Like drafting a seasoned college senior.

Someone show the way then talk to Phil.

are you freakin crazy, yellow?? what the heck got into you? Lopez and our 2017? I would not do that for our 2017 straight up ... have we learned nothing? Did not expect this from you especially when we are not getting an orlando player.

You can't let the past scare you. That's how you lose out on players like Lowry. In a few years Noel will be an efficient PnR finisher that is as anyone on defense.

This is not a player that is bad at everything and has to work at every aspect of his game. This is a guy that stuffs almost every stat and is getting better on O.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Is there away. Lopez and the 2017 pick after the draft? I know people are against trading 1st rd picks but Noel only recently turned 22. That's. Like drafting a seasoned college senior.

Someone show the way then talk to Phil.

are you freakin crazy, yellow?? what the heck got into you? Lopez and our 2017? I would not do that for our 2017 straight up ... have we learned nothing? Did not expect this from you especially when we are not getting an orlando player.

You can't let the past scare you. That's how you lose out on players like Lowry. In a few years Noel will be an efficient PnR finisher that is as anyone on defense.

This is not a player that is bad at everything and has to work at every aspect of his game. This is a guy that stuffs almost every stat and is getting better on O.

can't shoot at all from > 3 feet, not a great rebounder, not as great a defender as you may think, not super smart, not super sturdy ... no way!

The health issue scare me along with questionable IQ. I am done overpaying for one dimensional players and honestly that's what Noel is now. I would do Rolo straight up but don't see Philly doing it. I have zero interest in trading a first round pick for Noel.
We can do better.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:+

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Is there away. Lopez and the 2017 pick after the draft? I know people are against trading 1st rd picks but Noel only recently turned 22. That's. Like drafting a seasoned college senior.

Someone show the way then talk to Phil.

are you freakin crazy, yellow?? what the heck got into you? Lopez and our 2017? I would not do that for our 2017 straight up ... have we learned nothing? Did not expect this from you especially when we are not getting an orlando player.

You can't let the past scare you. That's how you lose out on players like Lowry. In a few years Noel will be an efficient PnR finisher that is as anyone on defense.

This is not a player that is bad at everything and has to work at every aspect of his game. This is a guy that stuffs almost every stat and is getting better on O.

can't shoot at all from > 3 feet, not a great rebounder, not as great a defender as you may think, not super smart, not super sturdy ... no way!

I don't need him to shoot much beyond 6ft. I want him to be Portland Lopez, Whiteside, Tyson Chandler, or D.Jordan like in his shot selection. Also, he just turned 22 years old in April and last year was his second year so of course he isn't great in a lot of areas but he is good in most and great in a few. I think you have to predict the future some as a GM and take chances on young player's continuing to improve when they have shown that they have already taken steps from year to year.

Also, it's not just Noel there will be $10m in extra cap space to use.

giving up a first pick for him is a non starter. We turned down lowry but we will give one up for Noel? No chance.