Posted by tkf:

It is funny Briggs, Grant hill hasn't played in 3 years, his ankles are shot and he is 32( or 34 in Briggs years) and not getting younger or healthier, so as far as I am concerned the magic should not count on him at all, but whats funny is this thread, you seem to be giving legs to the theory of Hill comming back afte all of that, yet Houston missed a few games for the first time in his career and now he is old, with bad knees and done...

You are funny man,, funny!!!

Posted by Nalod:

No objectivity allowed! I get it.

We are the laughing stocks of the league with our bloated payroll and **** to show for it.

ANd adding more and more payroll makes it worse.

I like what Isiah is doing. he had to get respectable, which he did, but can't just keep taking in payroll.

Fans treat expriring deals like gold. they are used to bring in better players other teams want to dump.

Sure I can leave, but im not just becsause a few can't deal with reality once ina while.

Posted by simrud:

Nobody is sayin that you can't say negative things about the Knicks. They just have to make sense. If what you say does not make sense, and you get knocked for it, don't go crying broupthink and calliing all those who happen to desagree with you blind followers. How about this, I will adress your points, and you will actually answer me point by point for nomrla discusion???

1)BRIGGS you are saying that the best the Knicks can do is 41 wins. Now is possible for them to win 41 games? Yes, of course. They can 35 if things go bad. But is this the BEST they can do? Not at all, the best they can do is 45-47, and sayin that the best they can do is sub .500 is just being an @ss to the rest of knick fans.

2)We are a joke because we our payroll is so big. OK, we know that dollar for win we have the worst ratio. Now do we care? Do the Yankees care? If Dolan is willin to spend to win, I don't care how much every wins costs. I'm actually happpy I have a team willing to spend, I also happen to be a Met fan, and it blows when your team does not want to spend, or when the spend they do it halfway and overpay for crappy playes. Spinnin the argument of win for dollar and making it sound like the Knicks are bad because they pay a lot is just not fare to the rest of the Knick fans.

Now lets break down the overpaid argument futher.
Who is overpaid on our team?
a)Houston - that is Layden's doing
b)TT - he is essentially Van Horn, once again Layden
c)Anderson - Layden's man
d)Penny - Iseah brought him in BUT, we shipped out Eisly out in that deal so if you want to talk extra contracts taken on, subract Howard from Penny's money.
So out of all the overpaid guys on this team, only a portion of one of them is Iseah's doing. Keep that in mind please.

Futher, taking on players in the Craw trade I assuem would be like this:
Take on overpaid E-Rob and JYD, give up overpaid Anderson.
So in othe words add 1 more overpaid vet. Agree, we are takin on more moeny. However, both guys end in 07, right along with Houston, which will give us a lot of cap space.

As I have pointed out many times and have been igroned every time, the Bulsl trade would help our cap significantly granted we do not assume any more large commitments till 07.

Now, please, just discuss. If you don't agree with my points, then back up your stuff with somethign other then, oh you are just followin the trend, and I'm cool because I stand out and do my thing, I personally got past this sometime in high school.