The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

So? Who hired Gains?

This is just the same angle StarksEwing1 always takes whenever anyone says something positive about Phil or defends him. Phil is secure enough to say that he's not the best judge of raw talent. He brought in Gaines because he knows he's a talented scout that knows how to judge potential. Phil has done a good job of surrounding himself with guys he trusts and letting them do their jobs.

As I said before, Phil's aggressiveness in adding picks has not been highlighted very much and it's still early in the process of developing those players. Since they haven't all blossomed yet people tend to knock his prospects. It was too early in the process for some of these young players and hopefully we start to see some real progress in terms of player development for some of these guys next season.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

So? Who hired Gains?

This is just the same angle StarksEwing1 always takes whenever anyone says something positive about Phil or defends him. Phil is secure enough to say that he's not the best judge of raw talent. He brought in Gaines because he knows he's a talented scout that knows how to judge potential. Phil has done a good job of surrounding himself with guys he trusts and letting them do their jobs.

As I said before, Phil's aggressiveness in adding picks has not been highlighted very much and it's still early in the process of developing those players. Since they haven't all blossomed yet people tend to knock his prospects. It was too early in the process for some of these young players and hopefully we start to see some real progress in terms of player development for some of these guys next season.

Holy Crap have you read my posts this thread? I have praised phil for his drafting. So dont accuse me of hating on phil nix. I have been a supporter of Phil from day 1 but god forbid i try to be objective ever

There hasn't been a lot of praise about Phil's past picks in the media or from the majority of fans. KP gets the attention since he balled out this season, but that's about it. It's been an underrated aspect of what he's been doing IMO. Just do a search on the subject of Phil's adding picks every year and then compare it to the volumes of posts criticizing Phil for not doing anything. There's a lot of Media articles and posts suggesting Phil is mailing it in and not doing enough as President.

Also I never accused you of dissin Phil. What I said is that you tend to respond to anyone posting something positive IN DEFENSE of Phil, with the kind of post you made above. You seem to have an issue with people coming to Phil's defense. You seem to think he's been treated fairly so that's where we disagree.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

So? Who hired Gains?

This is just the same angle StarksEwing1 always takes whenever anyone says something positive about Phil or defends him. Phil is secure enough to say that he's not the best judge of raw talent. He brought in Gaines because he knows he's a talented scout that knows how to judge potential. Phil has done a good job of surrounding himself with guys he trusts and letting them do their jobs.

As I said before, Phil's aggressiveness in adding picks has not been highlighted very much and it's still early in the process of developing those players. Since they haven't all blossomed yet people tend to knock his prospects. It was too early in the process for some of these young players and hopefully we start to see some real progress in terms of player development for some of these guys next season.

Holy Crap have you read my posts this thread? I have praised phil for his drafting. So dont accuse me of hating on phil nix. I have been a supporter of Phil from day 1 but god forbid i try to be objective ever

Dude you are the one that contradicted my point by saying Phil "hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts." You seem to be imposing your own personal view onto others. Where is the proof that MOST people praise Phil's work regarding the Draft since he's been here?

There hasn't been a lot of praise about Phil's past picks in the media or from the majority of fans. KP gets the attention since he balled out this season, but that's about it. It's been an underrated aspect of what he's been doing IMO. Just do a search on the subject of Phil's adding picks every year and then compare it to the volumes of posts criticizing Phil for not doing anything. There's a lot of Media articles and posts suggesting Phil is mailing it in and not doing enough as President.

Also I never accused you of dissin Phil. What I said is that you tend to respond to anyone posting something positive IN DEFENSE of Phil, with the kind of post you made above. You seem to have an issue with people coming to Phil's defense. You seem to think he's been treated fairly so that's where we disagree.

Phil mostly gets attacked for not trading Tyson first round draft picks. Or finding ways like eating contracts to acquire more first round draft picks. But I do agree with Starks in the aspect that Phil don't really get critiqued for his work at the draft. At the same time Nix is right that Starks tends target a lot of pro Knicks post. Never really see him comment on anyone post if it were an anti Knick type post. Maybe he has maybe he hasn't I just don't see them.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

So? Who hired Gains?

This is just the same angle StarksEwing1 always takes whenever anyone says something positive about Phil or defends him. Phil is secure enough to say that he's not the best judge of raw talent. He brought in Gaines because he knows he's a talented scout that knows how to judge potential. Phil has done a good job of surrounding himself with guys he trusts and letting them do their jobs.

As I said before, Phil's aggressiveness in adding picks has not been highlighted very much and it's still early in the process of developing those players. Since they haven't all blossomed yet people tend to knock his prospects. It was too early in the process for some of these young players and hopefully we start to see some real progress in terms of player development for some of these guys next season.

Holy Crap have you read my posts this thread? I have praised phil for his drafting. So dont accuse me of hating on phil nix. I have been a supporter of Phil from day 1 but god forbid i try to be objective ever

Dude you are the one that contradicted my point by saying Phil "hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts." You seem to be imposing your own personal view onto others. Where is the proof that MOST people praise Phil's work regarding the Draft since he's been here?

There hasn't been a lot of praise about Phil's past picks in the media or from the majority of fans. KP gets the attention since he balled out this season, but that's about it. It's been an underrated aspect of what he's been doing IMO. Just do a search on the subject of Phil's adding picks every year and then compare it to the volumes of posts criticizing Phil for not doing anything. There's a lot of Media articles and posts suggesting Phil is mailing it in and not doing enough as President.

Also I never accused you of dissin Phil. What I said is that you tend to respond to anyone posting something positive IN DEFENSE of Phil, with the kind of post you made above. You seem to have an issue with people coming to Phil's defense. You seem to think he's been treated fairly so that's where we disagree.

Phil mostly gets attacked for not trading Tyson first round draft picks. Or finding ways like eating contracts to acquire more first round draft picks. But I do agree with Starks in the aspect that Phil don't really get critiqued for his work at the draft. At the same time Nix is right that Starks tends target a lot of pro Knicks post. Never really see him comment on anyone post if it were an anti Knick type post. Maybe he has maybe he hasn't I just don't see them.

Just to clarify things. What I said was: "One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active."

I never suggested that people were criticizing Phil's picks. Just stating that I think it's an underrated part of what he's done here.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:He'll get a late first or a 2nd round pick and might even end up getting two picks in that area.

Philly and Boston have late first round picks that they won't want. I'd throw cash at them to see what could happen for one of them.

Wait. Why will they "not want" those picks? Serious question.