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HofstraBBall
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5/20/2016  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2016  1:33 PM
I thought it would be best if we went with a defensive minded coach. Aka Thibs or Vogel. However, think the biggest factor in Hornacek hiring was to develop and take advantage of KP. Hornacek likes a heavy pick and roll offense but also likes the 5 to be a 3pt threat and heavily involved in the offense. He did it with Channing Frye and probably feels KP can do it at much higher level. Additionally, JH must have impressed Phil with his familiarity of the Triangle. Amd may have been surprised by how simular their overall philosopgies are. Feel better about the hire than yesterday. Phil pleasantly surprised me. Now let's hope we get some more talent.
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5/20/2016  11:41 AM
We don't have PHils words or Jeffs yet but there seems to have been a 20 year admiration of Jeff and Sloan which Hornacek seems to have followed as well.
Given that Fish used other things triangle I think there has always been more wiggle room than has been lead on and tolerance for it. The fact that Fish did not use phils guys and perhaps did not move more towards the system he wanted (call it what ever), and a host of other problems is what lead to his firing.

KP and his skill set opens up a host of possabilities I don't think we as outsiders can really fathom. I cannot recall a player who at 7'3 possessed the skill set as he does at age 20. As a fan I am super excited about his future.
Perhaps the admiration for Hornacek got him the interview but something blew Phil away. Im thinking Jeff has shown aptitude for coaching guards and in feels he can get more out of our existing group. We as fans tend to transpose coachs previous history and make it relevant going forward too much.

Nobody had a kid like KP at such an early age, not even Dirk was this good this young.
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5/20/2016  1:32 PM
I don't think a defensive minded headcoach is going make our interior defense any better than first in the league, and our defense in other areas has improved (8th in the league in opponent effective FG%).

We need a backcourt. Some sort of, ANY sort of quality back court. We can't score when we need to. Jeff have anything left in the tank at 53? Oldest starting player/coach in history?

JeffHorn will get a quality defensive assistant. Is there anyone out there who looks like they might be channeling Dick Harter?
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5/20/2016  1:39 PM
jrodmc wrote:I don't think a defensive minded headcoach is going make our interior defense any better than first in the league, and our defense in other areas has improved (8th in the league in opponent effective FG%).

We need a backcourt. Some sort of, ANY sort of quality back court. We can't score when we need to. Jeff have anything left in the tank at 53? Oldest starting player/coach in history?

JeffHorn will get a quality defensive assistant. Is there anyone out there who looks like they might be channeling Dick Harter?

Good point. Was talking a long term philosophy. Always think it's best to have a coach who is defensive minded. Do like that JH was a tough competitor and got the most out of his talent. May be another reason Phil could relate. He seems to like the blue collar athletes with good work ethic. Which feel he will push to those he coaches. And will help create a good defensive mentality. Like I said, liking the hire better and better.

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5/20/2016  2:14 PM
KP will really explode with better guard play. We saw how in limited action Grant and KP looked awesome together. Still don't know why they never put them on the floor together for extended periods all season? SMH. At one point midway thru the season they had only played a combined 17 mins together total. Just one of the strangest decisions i've ever seen. Couldn't be a more obvious pairing than KP and Grant. Anyway, I think having 4 or 5 quality guards in the rotation would be a huge plus for KP.

Horn will likely have all kinds of ideas for how to get KP in great spots. Just look at how he used his bigs.
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5/20/2016  2:41 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I don't think a defensive minded headcoach is going make our interior defense any better than first in the league, and our defense in other areas has improved (8th in the league in opponent effective FG%).

We need a backcourt. Some sort of, ANY sort of quality back court. We can't score when we need to. Jeff have anything left in the tank at 53? Oldest starting player/coach in history?

JeffHorn will get a quality defensive assistant. Is there anyone out there who looks like they might be channeling Dick Harter?

Good point. Was talking a long term philosophy. Always think it's best to have a coach who is defensive minded. Do like that JH was a tough competitor and got the most out of his talent. May be another reason Phil could relate. He seems to like the blue collar athletes with good work ethic. Which feel he will push to those he coaches. And will help create a good defensive mentality. Like I said, liking the hire better and better.

I think the days of looking for "defensive minded" coaches in bball are pretty much over.

Teams primarily need offensive / stat brains so that they can keep up with each other.

Even a guy like Thibs admitted that this was a problem for him and this is also the reason why vogel got fired.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/20/2016  2:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I don't think a defensive minded headcoach is going make our interior defense any better than first in the league, and our defense in other areas has improved (8th in the league in opponent effective FG%).

We need a backcourt. Some sort of, ANY sort of quality back court. We can't score when we need to. Jeff have anything left in the tank at 53? Oldest starting player/coach in history?

JeffHorn will get a quality defensive assistant. Is there anyone out there who looks like they might be channeling Dick Harter?

Good point. Was talking a long term philosophy. Always think it's best to have a coach who is defensive minded. Do like that JH was a tough competitor and got the most out of his talent. May be another reason Phil could relate. He seems to like the blue collar athletes with good work ethic. Which feel he will push to those he coaches. And will help create a good defensive mentality. Like I said, liking the hire better and better.

I think the days of looking for "defensive minded" coaches in bball are pretty much over.

Teams primarily need offensive / stat brains so that they can keep up with each other.

Even a guy like Thibs admitted that this was a problem for him and this is also the reason why vogel got fired.


It's very similar to Football. When you send 4 receivers out and they can't be touched it's putting tremendous pressure on Defenses to be able to handle all that space in the secondary. The perimeter behind the 3pt line is too much space to try and cover guys and especially if a team has multiple 3pt shooters including a Big. So it's not hard to understand the concept.

The NFL teams are going to bigger DB's and quicker LB's to counter all the spread offense. NBA teams will need to make sure they have mobile bigs like KP and big but quick defenders on the perimeter. That's what Phil is trying to do with going after tall PG's and Shooting guards. He talked about having a highly mobile Big that can defend the rim and handle PnR on the perimeter. That's about all you can do defensively. Gotta have great speed and size up and down the rotation.

This is why I feel losing LT during the season for so many games was a HUGE factor in losing. Getting rid of AA and Jose in the rotation and having younger faster guards will help a TON defensively. that's why Crabbe and Bazemore are of interest.
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5/20/2016  8:29 PM
I am fine with this hiring and happy to see how triangle will be modified and upgraded. At least, it shows that Phil is not so stubborn to stick solely with triangle. Much appreciated.
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