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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
This tracks for me. I've always said that Mills would present Blatt as compromise to Melo and Phil. This report kind of indicates that is what is happening. And that Melo is intrigued by Blatt. And that Blatt is still in the running.
I'm guessing Phil is mulling this on his vacay. http://nypost.com/2016/05/10/carmelo-anthony-eyes-david-blatt-with-porzingis-upside/ Though his buddy LeBron James couldn’t stand him, Carmelo Anthony likes the idea of hiring former Cavaliers coach David Blatt, according to a person familiar with his thinking. ¿ △ ?
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
Noted media hater Gregg Popovich. You guys slay me.
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Nalod
Posts: 72117 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
crzymdups wrote:This tracks for me. I've always said that Mills would present Blatt as compromise to Melo and Phil. This report kind of indicates that is what is happening. And that Melo is intrigued by Blatt. And that Blatt is still in the running. This: "Tuesday was the 43rd anniversary of the Knicks winning their last championship with Jackson as a backup forward. But his approval ratings have hit an all-time low.[b] Hiring Blatt and making Rambis offensive coordinator of the triangle seems a perfect compromise. Knicks general manager Steve Mills, friends with Blatt since sharing the Princeton backcourt in the late 1970s, appears on board." 1. Tuesday was the 43rd anniversary. Berman uses this to incite anger. For the Record, I'd be happy with Blatt, but not for the reasons mentioned. If Shump and JR don't like Blatt, that's even more the reason to hire him. "This tracks for me. I've always said that Mills would present Blatt as compromise to Melo and Phil. This report kind of indicates that is what is happening. And that Melo is intrigued by Blatt. And that Blatt is still in the running. "Ive always said........" Really, you are only regurgitating media stories. You don't have sources. And how is this a "critical juncture" anyway? What is the plan? I got more questions that would tell me who should be the right coach but since we don't have roster details and all we know is if Phil is planning on really being involved the question might be "Is Blatt or Vogel ok with that"? If phil and coach are not in agreement won't the players kind of pick that up? Should Blatt and Vogel exercise the cred they have earned to not fully agree with phil? So to me, and just me, PHil has to decide if he wants to be fully engaged and dictate with Rambis or hire Blatt/Vogel and train them but then step back. See when phil coached, he wanted the unit on the floor to work thru the game and "fix" what was happening. He felt that a team that does that is far stronger. This is galvanized in practice, not during the game. Thus, while Rambis might not be the best floor coach, im not sure phil would see this as critical. I get this from reading phils books and thinking. Its just an opinion. Some of you should read Phils books. If your going to make assumptions, might want to do with some basis of structure from his words, not Berman. |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
Nalod wrote:3. "Hiring Blatt.......Seems like a perfect compromise." To who? Fans who are down on his approval rating? To the Media? To Melo? A compromise is between two parties. In this case, Phil and the Melo/Mills faction. Nalod wrote:4. Again, with the friend thing "appears to be on board". NO quote, no source about mills, just that they are buds. How do you know it wasn't Mills who leaked the report? Nalod wrote:"Ive always said........" Really, you are only regurgitating media stories. You don't have sources. it's a report because he got information from a source. Nalod wrote:And how is this a "critical juncture" anyway? uh, it's a critical juncture because they need a coach for the team. they need a coach who doesn't suck? they need a coach to help sell the vision of the team in free agency? Nalod wrote:Some of you should read Phils books. If your going to make assumptions, might want to do with some basis of structure from his words, not Berman. I have read them. Nice assumption on your part though. ¿ △ ?
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
This thing is bigger than Melo. Melo shouldn't be asking he should be in a gym working on his game. Let Phil do his job.
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:another unnamed source... If you've been paying attention Melo (and likely his Agent Leon Rose) have been one of the biggest instigators of the Phil needs to pick a coach other than Rambis. They were the ones that got the ball started on Thibs wanting NY (who is also a client of CAA) and is probably why Melo felt so sure Thibs would take the job if Phil asked. Also Melo has been passive aggressive in his disapproval of Rambis by saying Phil needed to consider everybody which is basically saying "not Rambis". I said this weeks ago there is a cold war going on at MSG between Melo (who wants the knicks to "build around his window") and Phil who seems very willing to look at the teams prospects post Melo. This coaching search is just a proxy of that. If Phil Hires Rambis you have to assume the knicks are tanking for the 2017 draft, if Phil hires a Blatt or Vogel then the plan would likely be to try and make the playoffs. Even in this I doubt that Phil goes after Blatt, just because it would be a public display of Melo's influence at the Garden. If anything I could see this making Vogel a better candidate since it would be the compromise between the two. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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Nalod
Posts: 72117 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:3. "Hiring Blatt.......Seems like a perfect compromise." To who? Fans who are down on his approval rating? To the Media? To Melo? If you read, then why don't you understand him? 3. Seems like article referenced Compromise to phils public opinion. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
wargames wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:another unnamed source... I would prefer Vogel as well. But I agree that Melo is in a Cold War with Phil - it's a two way war though, remember. Phil in his end of season press conference said the team played better without Melo, Lance Thomas moved the ball more, etc (while sort of glossing over the fact they were 0-10 without Melo). I think there are two factions, which is why I have been saying I think Mills would present Blatt as a compromise to Melo (who wanted Thibs) and Phil (who wants Rambis and full Triangle) - Blatt can run a motion offense that incorporates the Triangle elements, but also tweak it. I don't think Phil likes this and I think he is in Montana mulling either pissing off Melo/Mills and going with Rambis, going with Blatt, maybe coaching himself (though I doubt that), maybe stepping down. ¿ △ ?
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
wargames wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:another unnamed source... Rambis will be the coach of the Knicks and should be. He is the perfect candidate going forward. Now Melo knows what is best for Prozingis too. Melo is just to into himself. |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
Nalod wrote:5. What is a "report"? If you handed it to a college professor, you'd be asked for source. If you were presenting a white paper thesis, you'd have to back it up. When you get down off your high horse, look up the Watergate Scandal. It may shock and astound you. ¿ △ ?
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
Vmart wrote:wargames wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:another unnamed source... That's kind of the point Blatt or Vogel would be great for building a playoff team now. A Rambis hiring screams the knicks are tanking next year to me. All Melo wants is that he can play in the playoffs. I also feel this article completely kills Blatt's chances in NY. It would make Phil look weak if he chose Blatt now. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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Nalod
Posts: 72117 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
Melo wanting Blatt because GodZingis is European, and He knows the Eurogame?
Don't we want KP to be coached for the NBA????? Sure I want Blatt for many reasons, but this is a stretch. Kind of like when some want Mark Jax cuz he "Knows NYC"!!! |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35759 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
Rambis just comes across as another stop-gap. Do we really see Rambis here after Phil is gone? And do we really see Phil here for more than a couple more years? He will be here the remainder of his contract at the most. I can't see him re-upping again. Even if things go well the next couple of years, he's just old. Blatt, and especially Vogel, get us a younger, bright coach with enough experience to step in right now and help add wins. Fisher had the upside to be a good coach, but couldn't get it going early, as expected. Rambis just doesn't offer much upside as a coach. I want to hire a coach like he is going to be here for the long-term. I just don't see that with Rambis. Plus, he is definitely willing to be a head assistant, so we would have the best of both worlds.
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arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
1. This team is many years away from contending - fact
2. Melo window is closing - fact 3. Coach (Blatt, Vogel, Rambis, Phil himself) will not make the team much better - roster is just 1/3 build at best - fact Conclusion: coach selection for next 2 seasons is irrelevant. Team needs teacher and continuity. So "Stay with Rambis" is the best choice. But going for Vogel or Blat for long term (5 year) contract is not a problem also. Melo will keep his illusions of winning in NY alive, Mills/Dolan will get some more stuff to make money, and fans will have their regular preseason expectations pumped so they can all go nixluva to the roof. I do not think zo that Voget and Blatt are so Melo-stupid to take on this crowd pleasing but questionable for their carrier challenge. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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