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5/10/2016  12:14 PM
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5/10/2016  2:04 PM
Yup. Who else ya gonna vote for? Drayman? :)

I've been following Curry for a while . . . because McKillop said, preseason, in 2006 "This Curry kid is pretty good. He's going to start." (or words to that effect), I listened to (while I was working at the office) Curry's second college game, against Michigan, IIRC, and was hooked. (Not a completely random thing, I went to school at Davidson in the 80s and saw my share of amusing Southern Conference games. So, totally fanboy from game 2.) I thought, as I said on these boards years ago, that he stood a chance of making it in the NBA, barring injury, and avoiding getting drafted by the Knicks, but . . . I never ever thought he'd star, much less make a perfect score on his second MVP test.

The thing that makes him being the first unanimous MPV more amazing, at least to me, than anything else is . . . Curry's going to get better. Barring further injury (or, ahem, some act of god that makes him a Knick), he's going to be a somewhat better player next year . . . and maybe the year after that. From the very beginning of his college career, the thing that made him different than everyone else was . . . he was _always_ better in the next game. I can't think of any other player--well, maybe Jordan--who was _always_ a better player five games down the road. Credit his insane training routines, or his childhood visits to NBA locker rooms, or McKillop, but whatever it is, he's the only player--well, ahem, other than Jordan, maybe--I've seen who adds move after move, play after play, iffy one-leg 3pt hoop, insane dribble after insane dribble, passing lane interception, or 17pts in OT, to his repertoire and doesn't leave anything behind. He's going to get older and slower, sooner rather than later, but, whew, he's going to be an interesting old player, as interesting as Jordan, maybe more so.

That game last night . . . again, the most amazing part for me was that Curry was clearly a bit hampered by injury and was adjusting throughout the game to Portland . . . he was good, really amazingly good, but there was, by his standards, room for improvement.

(Best MVP tweet so far was Zach Lowe's to the effect of "Sure glad I didn't vote for Seth Curry by mistake.")

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5/10/2016  2:11 PM
^Draymond :)
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5/10/2016  2:13 PM
He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.
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5/10/2016  2:25 PM
thank you MDA & Donnie Walsh for winning so many meaningless games and picking one spot too late.

I'm sure we'll end up doing the same thing this next upcoming season.

This franchise is treading water, its sinking into the quicksand of who gives a &@#$^%!

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5/10/2016  2:29 PM
"This franchise . . . "

Sadly, I'd trade our team, straight up, for Portland. Portland is at least fun and young and they play nice ball.

Porzingod! At least there's hope . . . that's new.

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5/10/2016  3:01 PM
" . . . picking one spot too late. . . "

Yeah, you know if they had _wanted_ Curry, IIRC, it was _possible_ at that time to trade up and get him. They would have had to give up something but . . . with MDA coaching, it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.

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5/10/2016  3:02 PM
The kid has the base of a genetically gifted release and everything he has added has made him more dangerous.
He has also been gifted a back court partner who is the second coming of Jerry West. A big strong kid with a great shooting touch. Thompson is not quite the logo but if you watched the Tandem of Goodrich/West who in 1971 had one of those magical seasons you'd understand. Curry is far superior to Goodrich but one must look at the one comparison of great shooting range as just one component. Thus, we might consider Thompson/Curry as the greatest back court tandem in history?

Hard to argue the MVP as GSW won 73 games and Curry as their best player. One could make an argument as Lebron does more on the court regarding his vote tally and should have gotten more consideration, but it was a season where Cleveland did not distinguish themselves like GSW. Kwhai Leonard is a hell of a player. Glad he got recognition. Pop said he'd be a star a few years ago. Good call!!
An amazing season. GSW good fortune that Clippers lost Paul and Griff and got Portland instead. If Curry was out longer it might have been a problem. It wasn't.

Spurs and Thunder are beating themselves up. GSW is rolling. A healthy rested Cleveland will be interesting for whom ever comes out of the west.

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5/10/2016  3:59 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.

I'm a bit of an outlier. I dont' mean this as disrectuful, but Jordan was great but frankly Bird, Magic and Lebron were/are all superior to Jordan and Steph. I know all about MJ's rings, but if he never met Phil he might have a history of 50 point games and early playoff exits too. Super skilled but also the beneficiary of being the clear superstar at that time, and the media wanting a God.

Bird and Magic were next level at making their teammates, not just better, but great. Created tons of opportunity for them and an ineffectious culture of sharing the ball. Lebron gets the nod because he does everything great and can guard anyone. (I think on a personal level he's next level arrogant but that's another story.

Curry is truly spectacular but behind those 4.

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5/10/2016  4:03 PM
Chandler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.

I'm a bit of an outlier. I dont' mean this as disrectuful, but Jordan was great but frankly Bird, Magic and Lebron were/are all superior to Jordan and Steph. I know all about MJ's rings, but if he never met Phil he might have a history of 50 point games and early playoff exits too. Super skilled but also the beneficiary of being the clear superstar at that time, and the media wanting a God.

Bird and Magic were next level at making their teammates, not just better, but great. Created tons of opportunity for them and an ineffectious culture of sharing the ball. Lebron gets the nod because he does everything great and can guard anyone. (I think on a personal level he's next level arrogant but that's another story.

Curry is truly spectacular but behind those 4.

I would argue that Curry has helped create a truly spectacular culture of sharing the ball in Golden State.

They just won the most games ever. They're one of the most fun teams to watch! He's totally unselfish.

I can kinda see what you're saying about MJ, but I don't think it is fair to paint Curry with the same brush.

I think Lebron at his height was better than Curry, but he has slipped and Curry is better right now. He's about, what, four or five years older than Curry? So it makes sense.

It's funny - there is still a lot of defensiveness about Curry. TMac just said Curry winning unanimously was proof that the league was watered down now. Even one of my close friends got snippy and said Curry was overrated. It is interesting. If the Warriors three peat, by the end of the three peat, I'm guessing that team will be widely hated.

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5/10/2016  4:06 PM
I think the main reason that there was a unanimous vote was that the league made the media vote transparent. No one wanted to be the guy who didn't vote Curry.

I think MJ should've won unanimously in 1996 and Lebron in 2009. Maybe Shaq in 2000 as well.

Back then there used to be one or two cranky writers who would vote for someone else just to make sure it wasn't a unanimous vote. And no one knew who it was. But now it is transparent, so the media is in less of a rush to be contrarian when they have to put their name on it.

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5/10/2016  4:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Chandler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.

I'm a bit of an outlier. I dont' mean this as disrectuful, but Jordan was great but frankly Bird, Magic and Lebron were/are all superior to Jordan and Steph. I know all about MJ's rings, but if he never met Phil he might have a history of 50 point games and early playoff exits too. Super skilled but also the beneficiary of being the clear superstar at that time, and the media wanting a God.

Bird and Magic were next level at making their teammates, not just better, but great. Created tons of opportunity for them and an ineffectious culture of sharing the ball. Lebron gets the nod because he does everything great and can guard anyone. (I think on a personal level he's next level arrogant but that's another story.

Curry is truly spectacular but behind those 4.

I would argue that Curry has helped create a truly spectacular culture of sharing the ball in Golden State.

They just won the most games ever. They're one of the most fun teams to watch! He's totally unselfish.

I can kinda see what you're saying about MJ, but I don't think it is fair to paint Curry with the same brush.

I think Lebron at his height was better than Curry, but he has slipped and Curry is better right now. He's about, what, four or five years older than Curry? So it makes sense.

It's funny - there is still a lot of defensiveness about Curry. TMac just said Curry winning unanimously was proof that the league was watered down now. Even one of my close friends got snippy and said Curry was overrated. It is interesting. If the Warriors three peat, by the end of the three peat, I'm guessing that team will be widely hated.

all good points. I'd like for the MVP to include the playoffs as well.
Lebron leads this team to a chip it would take the conversation in a differnent direction in my opinion. Lebron almost seems like he was holding back during the season at times.
Last year to me he carried that team to the finals and if not a chance they advance without him.
Same can be said about Curry, but at 6-8 and rebounding/defense its just that LeBron has more tools.
73 wins and best player on that team has to be for Curry, I get it. But if Cleveland wins the chip, I realize Lebron can earn that MVP for the post season, but THE SEASON includes the playoffs!
NBA creates more interest with more awards.

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5/10/2016  4:33 PM
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Chandler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.

I'm a bit of an outlier. I dont' mean this as disrectuful, but Jordan was great but frankly Bird, Magic and Lebron were/are all superior to Jordan and Steph. I know all about MJ's rings, but if he never met Phil he might have a history of 50 point games and early playoff exits too. Super skilled but also the beneficiary of being the clear superstar at that time, and the media wanting a God.

Bird and Magic were next level at making their teammates, not just better, but great. Created tons of opportunity for them and an ineffectious culture of sharing the ball. Lebron gets the nod because he does everything great and can guard anyone. (I think on a personal level he's next level arrogant but that's another story.

Curry is truly spectacular but behind those 4.

I would argue that Curry has helped create a truly spectacular culture of sharing the ball in Golden State.

They just won the most games ever. They're one of the most fun teams to watch! He's totally unselfish.

I can kinda see what you're saying about MJ, but I don't think it is fair to paint Curry with the same brush.

I think Lebron at his height was better than Curry, but he has slipped and Curry is better right now. He's about, what, four or five years older than Curry? So it makes sense.

It's funny - there is still a lot of defensiveness about Curry. TMac just said Curry winning unanimously was proof that the league was watered down now. Even one of my close friends got snippy and said Curry was overrated. It is interesting. If the Warriors three peat, by the end of the three peat, I'm guessing that team will be widely hated.

all good points. I'd like for the MVP to include the playoffs as well.
Lebron leads this team to a chip it would take the conversation in a differnent direction in my opinion. Lebron almost seems like he was holding back during the season at times.
Last year to me he carried that team to the finals and if not a chance they advance without him.
Same can be said about Curry, but at 6-8 and rebounding/defense its just that LeBron has more tools.
73 wins and best player on that team has to be for Curry, I get it. But if Cleveland wins the chip, I realize Lebron can earn that MVP for the post season, but THE SEASON includes the playoffs!
NBA creates more interest with more awards.

I think the Cavs could get the Warriors in the Finals this year. Meaning beat them. Lebron played out of his mind last Finals. 35ppg 13rpg 8apg, something like that. With Kyrie healthy? With Love healthy and more involved? It could be very very interesting.

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5/10/2016  4:52 PM


watch this guy he looks like a younger version of Curry.

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5/10/2016  6:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Chandler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:He had a Babe Ruth season in terms of three point shooting... MJ is still the better player for my money but Steph is going to change the game more profoundly. He's Steve Nash and Reggie Miller rolled into one.

I'm a bit of an outlier. I dont' mean this as disrectuful, but Jordan was great but frankly Bird, Magic and Lebron were/are all superior to Jordan and Steph. I know all about MJ's rings, but if he never met Phil he might have a history of 50 point games and early playoff exits too. Super skilled but also the beneficiary of being the clear superstar at that time, and the media wanting a God.

Bird and Magic were next level at making their teammates, not just better, but great. Created tons of opportunity for them and an ineffectious culture of sharing the ball. Lebron gets the nod because he does everything great and can guard anyone. (I think on a personal level he's next level arrogant but that's another story.

Curry is truly spectacular but behind those 4.

I would argue that Curry has helped create a truly spectacular culture of sharing the ball in Golden State.

They just won the most games ever. They're one of the most fun teams to watch! He's totally unselfish.

I can kinda see what you're saying about MJ, but I don't think it is fair to paint Curry with the same brush.

I think Lebron at his height was better than Curry, but he has slipped and Curry is better right now. He's about, what, four or five years older than Curry? So it makes sense.

It's funny - there is still a lot of defensiveness about Curry. TMac just said Curry winning unanimously was proof that the league was watered down now. Even one of my close friends got snippy and said Curry was overrated. It is interesting. If the Warriors three peat, by the end of the three peat, I'm guessing that team will be widely hated.

Curry is sensational and I don't mean any disrespect. I think he has been the prime mover for elevating the importance of 3 point shot, and it is great to see a guy dominate without being a genetic freak or on roids (which i think Lebron and MJ were/are on in some form)

But I agreed with Pippen, Lebron at least was better than MJ because of the total completeness of his game and bringing inferior teams to the finals (though failing)

And I'm heavily prejudiced on Bird and Magic because I so appreciated watching those guys play for so long, and that they were going head to head was even better.

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5/10/2016  7:26 PM
An old guy who changed the game somewhat who Curry, at times, reminds me of is Kareem. Yeah, yeah, some of Abdul-Jabbar's success happened because of his rare giant body. It's his approach to perfecting his game and the way he changed the game that remind me of Curry. (Well, that and they are both, IMO, pretty classy guys.) Kareem's skyhook was unstoppable for a few years. When he wanted to score, he did. As he got older, he got better at using his skills to change the way other teams had to guard him, if they could at all, so that everyone around him got better. He racked up stats but more importantly he created space/opportunity for everyone else. Yes, the great players make those around them better. (Hello, Melo.) But, at least for a while, Kareem's skyhook, like Curry's insane 3s, was a skill no else had and if you wanted to beat the Lakers, you had to change the way you played because _they_ didn't play like everyone else. No one, at least right now, plays ball the way Golden State plays when Curry's on the floor. As they say on Golden State of Mind all the time . . . Curry's not a system player, he's the system.

Would I chose prime MJ, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain, or LBJ over Curry in a playground game? Probably. I'd flip a coin between him and Kareem. Everyone else I can think of right now I'd pick second. However, if I was putting together an NBA team, Curry would be a no brainer, because he's amazingly unselfish and focused on doing what's best for the team overall. (Not that the rest of those guys weren't team players and focused on winning but with Curry, team work is maybe his most honed skill.) And, doh, he makes coaching easier. Yesterday, Kerr said Alvin Gentry's offensive coaching at GS last years consisted of "Steph, get the ball, and get the ball to Steph.” (It was amusing to hear Kerr say that out loud. Kerr may end up being a great coach but without a doubt he's the luckiest coach ever.)

Steph Curry - first unanimous MVP

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