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This would infuriate me.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Even Bird said he knew there would be a market for Vogel.

Knicks are going to have to let it be known they are willing to pay more. Also unfortunately the Grizzlies GM is good friends with Vogel (though that hasn't help Phil land a coach yet). The good news is this happened over the weekend. It gives the knicks some time to decide what they want to do. So far Vogel has in my opinion been the best option for the job because he seems very friendly to the triangle concepts.

Knicks also have a younger Front court with a potential star with KP on it and is just younger in general. Memphis is also capped out (especially if they keep Conley) and do not have a pick in a very good 2017 FA. The knicks have 18 mil to spend this summer and likely 23-31 mil depending on if D-Will and AA stay. Memphis is also in a much tougher conference than NY. On top of that no one on Memphis can play a Paul George role on a team like Melo can. If Phil wants the knicks can be competitive in their attempt to get Vogel. They can also offer him an offense which I am pretty sure he is aware he needs some help on.

The problems come in that 1) players and teams think less of the knicks than memphis (see Granger's comments) and 2) Marc Gasol is arguably the best center in the league (though both he and Conley have been injured recently). They are without a doubt a better team than the knicks now, but the knicks potentially will be the better team in the short and long future.

Vmart wrote:This is stupid teams and coaches going where they are suppose to be getting fired. This is what happens when talent is what it is. Just what were the Pacers and Grizzlies really expecting. Ridiculous, you guys clamouring for a new coach this is your process. Who ever it is Blatt, Vogel or who is ever this is their fate. Not enough talent is the same as no talent your coach gets fired. The real analysis is when talent is through the roof and the results are not there. Or record doesn't equate the level of talent.

In the case of the Grizzlies and Pacers their record reflected the level of talent so why fire the coach. Makes absolutely no sense.

In the Pacers case I think Bird was just tired of Vogel's offensive issues. Also Vogel did lose game 5 by sitting PG to long. Yeah the roster sucks but as Phil said himself a few months ago "Its easier to fire the coach than move 15 players". If the Pacers have their future Picks they need to start to Tank anyway.

In Joerger's case he and the GM just had a falling out and it appears he wanted to leave to try and get the Sacramento job. Woj let it leak that it looks like the kings were in the early discussion phases of trading a second rounder for him, but they let him go now to try and get Vogel. If they don't get Vogel (which I really hope they fail to do) then I could see them going for Blatt, who not for nothing might fit that team more since the princeton offense is based more on people cutting to the basket and bigs in the paint.

Vmart wrote:This is stupid teams and coaches going where they are suppose to be getting fired. This is what happens when talent is what it is. Just what were the Pacers and Grizzlies really expecting. Ridiculous, you guys clamouring for a new coach this is your process. Who ever it is Blatt, Vogel or who is ever this is their fate. Not enough talent is the same as no talent your coach gets fired. The real analysis is when talent is through the roof and the results are not there. Or record doesn't equate the level of talent.

In the case of the Grizzlies and Pacers their record reflected the level of talent so why fire the coach. Makes absolutely no sense.

newyorknewyork wrote:I assumed the fired Joerger because they want to rebuild into a space and pace team. But if they are going after Vogal then that kills that assumption. Did they expect more out of Joerger?

I actually believe that Joerger wants something new and wasn't willing to just quit.

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This would infuriate me.

I was going to say I could see Memphis snapping up Vogel- I think that's where he'll end up and it would be a nice fit for him.

Every team without a head coach is gonna have F.Vogel at the top of their list so seeing that Memphis will be interested is just what i expected when i saw they fired Joerger. If Phil wants Vogel i would think he could easily have him and the only other team i could see him chosing over the Knicks job would be the Houston job since they already have a good team and a owner that will spend money.

The Houston job is the most intriguing job for coaches. They have a top player to build around I'm not to sure about their talent level seems pretty weak to me after Harden.