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callmened
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5/5/2016  11:07 AM
let the knicks rumors begin...oh wait, they started last week
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5/5/2016  11:09 AM

Was just gonna post this.

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5/5/2016  11:11 AM

First real mention I have seen that Knicks are interested.

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5/5/2016  11:31 AM
if vogel wouldn't listen to Bird, why would he listen to phil?
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5/5/2016  11:32 AM
callmened wrote:if vogel wouldn't listen to Bird, why would he listen to phil?

For one thing - Bird wanted to go small and put PG13 at the 4.

Vogel wanted to go big like he had been doing. He didn't want to lose Hibbert or West.

Phil and Vogel's philosophies are more in line.

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5/5/2016  11:33 AM
callmened wrote:if vogel wouldn't listen to Bird, why would he listen to phil?

The biggest reason he didn't listen to bird was a difference in philosophy. Vogel wanted to play with two bigs (like phil does) instead of small ball like Bird wanted.

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5/5/2016  11:36 AM
crzymdups wrote:Vogel wanted to go big like he had been doing. He didn't want to lose Hibbert or West.
Yeah. That must have been tough for Vogel to watch . . .
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5/5/2016  11:38 AM
yep I heard. vogel is VERY old school. DEFENSE first and he likes having bigs

hey I would love it. to me hes a top 10 coach, from NJ and can handle the media. im just not sure if he wants a someone telling him what to do

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5/5/2016  11:38 AM
Malcolm wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Vogel wanted to go big like he had been doing. He didn't want to lose Hibbert or West.
Yeah. That must have been tough for Vogel to watch . . .

I wonder if West regrets going to San Antonio? You barely even see him play anymore.

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5/5/2016  11:40 AM
callmened wrote:yep I heard. vogel is VERY old school. DEFENSE first and he likes having bigs

hey I would love it. to me hes a top 10 coach, from NJ and can handle the media. im just not sure if he wants a someone telling him what to do

He's only 42. Too young to get a Thibs type deal, I think.

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callmened wrote:yep I heard. vogel is VERY old school. DEFENSE first and he likes having bigs

hey I would love it. to me hes a top 10 coach, from NJ and can handle the media. im just not sure if he wants a someone telling him what to do

Phil isn't going to be micro managing Vogel. Besides Vogel respects Phil and actually WANTS to learn from him. It's IMO a perfect match!!!
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5/5/2016  11:44 AM
Hope Phil has cell phone service in Montana.

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5/5/2016  11:44 AM
crzymdups wrote:Hope Phil has cell phone service in Montana.

Does Phil know what cell phones are?

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5/5/2016  11:45 AM
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:yep I heard. vogel is VERY old school. DEFENSE first and he likes having bigs

hey I would love it. to me hes a top 10 coach, from NJ and can handle the media. im just not sure if he wants a someone telling him what to do

Phil isn't going to be micro managing Vogel. Besides Vogel respects Phil and actually WANTS to learn from him. It's IMO a perfect match!!!

???? Where are you getting that from.

Fisher was fired because he didn't let Phil micro-manage him enough. This is on the record.

Where has Vogel said he wants to learn from Phil.

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5/5/2016  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2016  11:47 AM
nixluva wrote:Phil isn't going to be micro managing Vogel. Besides Vogel respects Phil and actually WANTS to learn from him. It's IMO a perfect match!!!
Nixluva: What about Rambis (?)

What are you doing with him in this situation (?)

I want Triangle continuity first and foremost.

If Rambis isn't 100% in on being an Associate Head Coach . . . then I'm against Vogel.

If Vogel isn't 100% in on Rambis being an Associate Head Coach . . . then I'm against Vogel.
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5/5/2016  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2016  11:48 AM
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crzymdups wrote:Hope Phil has cell phone service in Montana.

Does Phil know what cell phones are?

Well, I hope he can at least reach Charley Rosen by carrier pigeon so Charley can write an article about Vogel is a backstabbing careerist like he did for Jeff Van Gundy so we don't get mad when Vogel gets the Rockets job without so much as an interview from the Knicks.

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5/5/2016  11:47 AM
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nixluva wrote:Phil isn't going to be micro managing Vogel. Besides Vogel respects Phil and actually WANTS to learn from him. It's IMO a perfect match!!!
Nixluva:What about Rambis (?)

What are you doing with him in this situation (?)

I want Triangle continuity first and foremost.

If Rambis isn't 100% in on being an Associate Head Coach . . . then I'm against Vogel.

If Vogel isn't 100% in on Rambis being an Associate Head Coach . . . then I'm against Vogel.

Phil, is that you?

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5/5/2016  11:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2016  11:53 AM
In theory steve mills can do most of the leg work and Phil can just be involved in the final interview. I honestly don't think their is a better match for what Vogel would want to do (big front court) than the knicks. Also the knicks can pay him a ton. I don't think Phil needs to rush to get him.

Sacremento would be another team that could go big, except as I've said else where they are even more dysfunctional that the knicks. Houston is going to lose Dwight. Am I forgetting another opening?

Also this is funny but Brian Shaw might get paid too. Between LA apparently wanting him and the likelihood if Vogel came here he would also be wanted here I could see him getting paid. I know people laugh at Phil's coaching tree.... but he's at least his former players are getting paid.

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