mythfaze wrote:Phil is tired of getting beat up by the media. He feels like he is being treated unfairly. We see him getting more and more catty with his "BUT DO THESE CRITICS EVEN HAVE 11 RINGS THO?" responses.

I have a theory that I more hope is true than I believe is true...

I think he's setting them up.

He'll pounce on Vogel during his little road trip. Make him our next head coach. Make sure there are NO leaks, so everyone least expects it.

The big bad media will continue to write about how he's decided to take vacation during a critical juncture of our offseason and is doing a horrible job.

When it finally comes out, he gets a three for one:

• Happy Melo
• Placated Fans
• Shining victory in his budding war against all doubters. A nice little trump card for next time he doesn't like the media treatment: 'remember their dubious coverage of our coaching hunt! Hows that goink?'

Then he smugly sits back and enjoys a breather until the NBA season ends and free agency begins.

I hope you're right, but I think it is more likely that he wants Rambis and has been told no and is contemplating his next move.

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

Vmart wrote:Haven't you guys figured it out yet. Phil's fist choices get swept up by better teams or teams in better position to do well faster. Phil probably is think I'm not announcing anyone or anything because if he does 1-2 teams quickly intervene and swoop in and take Phil's candidate. Put it this way coaches are using the Knicks to get better places and more money.

My theory is let Phil have his guy Rambis he is good when talent is there. Give him a chance besides the Knicks won't be very good next year with who ever is coaching them. Phil probably knows this already. The problem here is the papers don't get rejected by FAs and fans think they are the best at everything and they are not the one to get rejected by FAs. Phil has inherited this poor situation. You don't think Phil wanted this years pick?

Blatt, Thibs or Vogel won't change this situation. I'm convinced of it. Without Talent your just foolin' around.

Pacers lost Paul George to massive injury for whole season, lost Roy Hibbert to FA, David West to FA, had every reason to give up, were playing at a talent deficit every night, and still competed and only missed the playoffs by a game last season.

Coaching matters.

I love that the Phil supporters, whose opinion of Phil is based on his success as a coach... are now taking the stance that coaching doesn't matter... it's all about talent?

Say what?

Then why do you care so much about defending Phil? Supposedly the greatest coach of all-time? But coaching doesn't matter?

Huh? What?

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:Haven't you guys figured it out yet. Phil's fist choices get swept up by better teams or teams in better position to do well faster. Phil probably is think I'm not announcing anyone or anything because if he does 1-2 teams quickly intervene and swoop in and take Phil's candidate. Put it this way coaches are using the Knicks to get better places and more money.

My theory is let Phil have his guy Rambis he is good when talent is there. Give him a chance besides the Knicks won't be very good next year with who ever is coaching them. Phil probably knows this already. The problem here is the papers don't get rejected by FAs and fans think they are the best at everything and they are not the one to get rejected by FAs. Phil has inherited this poor situation. You don't think Phil wanted this years pick?

Blatt, Thibs or Vogel won't change this situation. I'm convinced of it. Without Talent your just foolin' around.

Pacers lost Paul George to massive injury for whole season, lost Roy Hibbert to FA, David West to FA, had every reason to give up, were playing at a talent deficit every night, and still competed and only missed the playoffs by a game last season.

Coaching matters.

I love that the Phil supporters, whose opinion of Phil is based on his success as a coach... are now taking the stance that coaching doesn't matter... it's all about talent?

Say what?

Then why do you care so much about defending Phil? Supposedly the greatest coach of all-time? But coaching doesn't matter?

Huh? What?

Of course coaching matters. I never said it didn't. What I'm saying is let Phil have his guy and let him implement the plan of his action. Once that talent level is better then a coach can be brought in to take them to a higher level. Doug Collins and Mark Jackson did great jobs but it was Phil Jackson and Kerr that took their teams over the top. There will come a time for a coach that for the Knicks. One thing Blatt and Vogel have in common is they are casualties of coach unable to get it done. Your asking them to come to the Knicks and get this team over the top. Your asking for miracles when they had as much talent you could ask for. Sure these guys increase the level of competitiveness but is that what you really want? For the team to be trapped in the middle of the draft. Is a middle of the pack team that desirable a location for top FAs.

Let Rambos do the dirty work for Phil and get the Knicks playing well and develop talent pool. Which I'm sure he will do a better job of come next season.

I think Phil went on vacation just to **** with everyone. He's having a zen old time while Bird figures out what he's going to do with Vogel. I think Vogel will get a call from Phil. Then the sources well be like
"Oh looks like Phil is going to sign Vogel" and eat the biggest piece of flaming **** known to man. Bird on the other hand is going to hire Mark Jackson.

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

Phil isnt a yes man. Dolan would probably have to fire him before he would allow himself to be forced to do anything he didn't want to do.

This is part of why I think he's in Montana right now.

Dolan doesn't have to tell him what to do... but Dolan DOES have to sign off on his hires. And I think there are some signs that Dolan does not want Rambis. For all we know, Dolan may have already flat out said no to Rambis.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

A writers source means nothing anymore especially when they have been wrong consistently for the past 2 plus years

I don't agree with this. I think the things we are hearing coming out of the Knicks organization and directly from Melo imply that a lot of the organization is not on board with a Rambis hire.

Phil has "autonomy"... but he can't do whatever he wants.

Dolan has invested almost $200M in Melo over the years. That trumps the $60M he gave Jackson.

And, frankly, the mishandling of the Fisher situation, which was embarassing to the organization (Barnes, etc), probably has led to a LOT more internal scrutiny on Phil's next hire.

Coach of the New York Knicks is one of the most prestigious jobs in sports. You don't just give it to Rambis. I think a lot in the organization feel this way. Melo we know feels this way.

Everything is you said is your opinion. Just like a writers source is basically the writers opinion

He already whiffed on Thibs. Never even interviewed the guy and Thibs wanted to come here, was open to running the triangle and Melo wanted him for whatever little that's really worth. If he whiffs on Vogel and Blatt and we wind up with Rambis, I'll be disappointed beyond words.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

Phil isnt a yes man. Dolan would probably have to fire him before he would allow himself to be forced to do anything he didn't want to do.

This is part of why I think he's in Montana right now.

Dolan doesn't have to tell him what to do... but Dolan DOES have to sign off on his hires. And I think there are some signs that Dolan does not want Rambis. For all we know, Dolan may have already flat out said no to Rambis.

Dolan is in europe touring with his band. He has been there for at least a week. I don't think he is pressuring Phil too much at this point. He may not want Rambis but he also maybe sticking to his word and not meddling.

This is Phil's call and his agreement with Dolan is that he can do what he thinks is best without interference. This stuff is BS!!! Phil is NOT being blocked from doing what he wants to do with the franchise. People just don't understand that Phil doesn't need this and would walk away before he was forced to eat some move he didn't want.

Exactly. One thing Dolan is, is loyal. Phil is doing the right thing by sticking with Rambis. You give Vogel and Blatt a team they can work with or these guys pushing for Blatt and Vogel will be the same ones pushing them out the door. The talent has to be in place for any coach to be successful and right now the Knicks don't have that. Instead of looking for a coach Phil probably is thinking of ways to improve the roster which I think needs to be done first and foremost. Then the Knicks can think about getting a coach if Rambis isn't doing to well.