Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.

Jr and shump are benefitting from the system they play in, it's similar to the system woodson and MDA ran.

They were never going to work well in the triangle, unless you had a boat load of patience. It's a classic case of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

If your selling your car because you already have two, and the person buying has none, and is in desperate need for to get work, would you go high on your price, or lower, and with phil, he essentially got lance Thomas for two major pieces in Cleveland rotation.

In hind sight, he gave up 2 1st rounders for a 2nd rounder

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.

Jr and shump are benefitting from the system they play in, it's similar to the system woodson and MDA ran.

They were never going to work well in the triangle, unless you had a boat load of patience. It's a classic case of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

If your selling your car because you already have two, and the person buying has none, and is in desperate need for to get work, would you go high on your price, or lower, and with phil, he essentially got lance Thomas for two major pieces in Cleveland rotation.

In hind sight, he gave up 2 1st rounders for a 2nd rounder

Darko was a first rounder. Your valueing players based on "once upon a time"......
Yes, they are benefitting from the system. The one with three allstars on the team and they are role players.
The one with Lebron Freaking James!!!!!!!
Nice try.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.

Jr and shump are benefitting from the system they play in, it's similar to the system woodson and MDA ran.

They were never going to work well in the triangle, unless you had a boat load of patience. It's a classic case of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

If your selling your car because you already have two, and the person buying has none, and is in desperate need for to get work, would you go high on your price, or lower, and with phil, he essentially got lance Thomas for two major pieces in Cleveland rotation.

In hind sight, he gave up 2 1st rounders for a 2nd rounder

Shump and JR are not major pieces in the Clev rotation. Lebron gets every team has been on to the playoffs or the ECF or the Finals and he does it with whoever is playing with him. They'd be right where they are now if they didn't have JR or Shump because they'd just find two other players to play in their spots.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.

Jr and shump are benefitting from the system they play in, it's similar to the system woodson and MDA ran.

They were never going to work well in the triangle, unless you had a boat load of patience. It's a classic case of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

If your selling your car because you already have two, and the person buying has none, and is in desperate need for to get work, would you go high on your price, or lower, and with phil, he essentially got lance Thomas for two major pieces in Cleveland rotation.

In hind sight, he gave up 2 1st rounders for a 2nd rounder

Darko was a first rounder. Your valueing players based on "once upon a time"......
Yes, they are benefitting from the system. The one with three allstars on the team and they are role players.
The one with Lebron Freaking James!!!!!!!
Nice try.

It works like that with anyone, you get pieces that fit, that can complement the other pieces.

It's like we got melo, but we know he would have more success with a leader, and star pg.

Were getting players that don't fit, and try to make them triangle players, and when the player gets frustrated, or the coach/prez feels like it's a waist of time, we trade them(jr shump), or they don't re-sign because the feel more comfortable else where.

You put afflalo and dwill on the cavs, atl, GSW, boston, there numbers would me much better

What you're saying is that running a tried and true system that has been used to win at the High School, College and NBA level for decades, is somehow a mistake! JR and Shump are doing well on a much more talented team as they should. They just weren't right for our situation.

AA is what he is at this point in his career. It has nothing to do with playing in the Triangle.

DWILL had been floundering around and in fact playing in the Triangle actually seems to have helped him focus a bit more. He actually raised his profile in NY.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.

Jr and shump are benefitting from the system they play in, it's similar to the system woodson and MDA ran.

They were never going to work well in the triangle, unless you had a boat load of patience. It's a classic case of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

If your selling your car because you already have two, and the person buying has none, and is in desperate need for to get work, would you go high on your price, or lower, and with phil, he essentially got lance Thomas for two major pieces in Cleveland rotation.

In hind sight, he gave up 2 1st rounders for a 2nd rounder

Darko was a first rounder. Your valueing players based on "once upon a time"......
Yes, they are benefitting from the system. The one with three allstars on the team and they are role players.
The one with Lebron Freaking James!!!!!!!
Nice try.

It works like that with anyone, you get pieces that fit, that can complement the other pieces.

It's like we got melo, but we know he would have more success with a leader, and star pg.

Were getting players that don't fit, and try to make them triangle players, and when the player gets frustrated, or the coach/prez feels like it's a waist of time, we trade them(jr shump), or they don't re-sign because the feel more comfortable else where.

You put afflalo and dwill on the cavs, atl, GSW, boston, there numbers would me much better

It's not about the system when you have Lebron on your team, he takes every team he's been on far in the playoffs and more and it's not because of the system he plays in.

every team LBJ plays on is way more talented than anything the knicks remotely have put together in 20 yrs. I will never give LBJ that much credit when he takes a roster with 2 other stars deep in the playoffs.

melo would be just as fortunate if he played with love and irving, or wade and bosh.

funny how when melo had shump and J, both playing at a high level(like they are now) we won 54 games.

Also, LBJ is one of the best passers in the nba, he also has had some solid coaches to work with.

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

We got all we could for JR and Tyson at that time and keeping them just would of kept them being the same people they were when they were with us. Tyson wanted out of New York and no team but Dallas wanted to take him and his contract on so he got all he could for him and the same with JR. Phil came in with the plan of rebuilding this team and to do that he needed to get rid of every bad contract we had so he did that with getting rid of Tyson, JR and Bargnani and he also needed to get rid of every player that wasn't good for the team in the locker room because he wanted to build a team that played basketball as a team and weren't causing any distractions that would take away from the team and those 3 were a part of that especially JR.

he should have not have waited to trade chandler in the offseason, he should have traded him when he got there. He would have gotten 4 times more than he got.

Hired in mid March, trade deadline in Feb

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

We got all we could for JR and Tyson at that time and keeping them just would of kept them being the same people they were when they were with us. Tyson wanted out of New York and no team but Dallas wanted to take him and his contract on so he got all he could for him and the same with JR. Phil came in with the plan of rebuilding this team and to do that he needed to get rid of every bad contract we had so he did that with getting rid of Tyson, JR and Bargnani and he also needed to get rid of every player that wasn't good for the team in the locker room because he wanted to build a team that played basketball as a team and weren't causing any distractions that would take away from the team and those 3 were a part of that especially JR.

he should have not have waited to trade chandler in the offseason, he should have traded him when he got there. He would have gotten 4 times more than he got.

Hired in mid March, trade deadline in Feb

true but it was in the works or waiting in the wings by the trade deadline. The lowry trade was there too but "rumor" had it that phil said "no trades"

he seemed to have (possibly) already had a say.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

We got all we could for JR and Tyson at that time and keeping them just would of kept them being the same people they were when they were with us. Tyson wanted out of New York and no team but Dallas wanted to take him and his contract on so he got all he could for him and the same with JR. Phil came in with the plan of rebuilding this team and to do that he needed to get rid of every bad contract we had so he did that with getting rid of Tyson, JR and Bargnani and he also needed to get rid of every player that wasn't good for the team in the locker room because he wanted to build a team that played basketball as a team and weren't causing any distractions that would take away from the team and those 3 were a part of that especially JR.

he should have not have waited to trade chandler in the offseason, he should have traded him when he got there. He would have gotten 4 times more than he got.

Hired in mid March, trade deadline in Feb

true but it was in the works or waiting in the wings by the trade deadline. The lowry trade was there too but "rumor" had it that phil said "no trades"

he seemed to have (possibly) already had a say.

Pretty sure that's not how things work.

You can't accuse a prospective President of a team for not making a trade a month or more before he was hired. That's just stupid. You got the timeline wrong, that's all.

its not stupid and that is a bit rude ...

jackson was talking to them for months. Its stupid to believe that he COULD NOT have had a say or any suggestions in the process.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

We got all we could for JR and Tyson at that time and keeping them just would of kept them being the same people they were when they were with us. Tyson wanted out of New York and no team but Dallas wanted to take him and his contract on so he got all he could for him and the same with JR. Phil came in with the plan of rebuilding this team and to do that he needed to get rid of every bad contract we had so he did that with getting rid of Tyson, JR and Bargnani and he also needed to get rid of every player that wasn't good for the team in the locker room because he wanted to build a team that played basketball as a team and weren't causing any distractions that would take away from the team and those 3 were a part of that especially JR.

he should have not have waited to trade chandler in the offseason, he should have traded him when he got there. He would have gotten 4 times more than he got.

Hired in mid March, trade deadline in Feb

true but it was in the works or waiting in the wings by the trade deadline. The lowry trade was there too but "rumor" had it that phil said "no trades"

he seemed to have (possibly) already had a say.

Pretty sure that's not how things work.

You can't accuse a prospective President of a team for not making a trade a month or more before he was hired. That's just stupid. You got the timeline wrong, that's all.

its not stupid and that is a bit rude ...

jackson was talking to them for months. Its stupid to believe that he COULD NOT have had a say or any suggestions in the process.

no, it's stupid on about a thousand different levels

agree

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

We got all we could for JR and Tyson at that time and keeping them just would of kept them being the same people they were when they were with us. Tyson wanted out of New York and no team but Dallas wanted to take him and his contract on so he got all he could for him and the same with JR. Phil came in with the plan of rebuilding this team and to do that he needed to get rid of every bad contract we had so he did that with getting rid of Tyson, JR and Bargnani and he also needed to get rid of every player that wasn't good for the team in the locker room because he wanted to build a team that played basketball as a team and weren't causing any distractions that would take away from the team and those 3 were a part of that especially JR.

he should have not have waited to trade chandler in the offseason, he should have traded him when he got there. He would have gotten 4 times more than he got.

Hired in mid March, trade deadline in Feb

true but it was in the works or waiting in the wings by the trade deadline. The lowry trade was there too but "rumor" had it that phil said "no trades"

he seemed to have (possibly) already had a say.

Pretty sure that's not how things work.

You can't accuse a prospective President of a team for not making a trade a month or more before he was hired. That's just stupid. You got the timeline wrong, that's all.

its not stupid and that is a bit rude ...

jackson was talking to them for months. Its stupid to believe that he COULD NOT have had a say or any suggestions in the process.

no, it's stupid on about a thousand different levels

agree

It was an impressive try at a save though.

While San Antonio GM R.C. Buford won Executive of the Year, Jackson didn’t get a single vote. Fourteen of the 30 executives got at least one third-place vote, including the Sixers’ Sam Hinkie and Milwaukee’s John Hammond. The voting is done by the team GMs/presidents.

Phil the coach, is far different from phil the prez. sam hinke, got a vote...lmao..

That's why it's going to be tough for phil to make trades, he's not very well like, and he doesn't associate with much of anybody in the front office through out the league..thats why Mills is in the loop, and he hasn't done much himself