Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sixth man award winners and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

MS wrote:I don't know how anyone in their right mind could defend the Tyson and Felton trade.

RoLo has no place in the conversation.

Phil said he was clearing salary in this trade which was completely false. Chandler had an all star season for the Mavs when we moved him. Felton by no means is a great point guard, however he does one thing we really needed and that's penetrate.

Your argument that Joses salary is on par with the player he is happens to be a joke. He is making 7.7MM this season. A number we didn't need on our cap. He makes more than Isiah Thomas, Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston and a number of guards that dominate him every time we play them.

That trade will cost us a second max contract.

So Phil has made two good decisions to date, KP and to a lesser extent Lopez.

The Tyson and Felton trade had a logic to it that had nothing to do with talent exchange or potential. It had everything to do with Dallas being the only buyer. Buying what?

Cuban answers to no one so he wasn't concerned with Felton's gun charges nor Chandler's discontent with NY. It is delusional to think Felton remaining in NY with the media on his tail would "thrive" or "penetrate". He was carrion for the sports press - not a cancer but an open festering wound. The last thing Phil needed to change the culture.

As for Chandler, his on the court behavior was out of control - idiotic. His team attitude was worse. Phil got what he could get - take it or leave it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

MS wrote:I don't know how anyone in their right mind could defend the Tyson and Felton trade.

RoLo has no place in the conversation.

Phil said he was clearing salary in this trade which was completely false. Chandler had an all star season for the Mavs when we moved him. Felton by no means is a great point guard, however he does one thing we really needed and that's penetrate.

Your argument that Joses salary is on par with the player he is happens to be a joke. He is making 7.7MM this season. A number we didn't need on our cap. He makes more than Isiah Thomas, Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston and a number of guards that dominate him every time we play them.

That trade will cost us a second max contract.

So Phil has made two good decisions to date, KP and to a lesser extent Lopez.

The Tyson and Felton trade had a logic to it that had nothing to do with talent exchange or potential. It had everything to do with Dallas being the only buyer. Buying what?

Cuban answers to no one so he wasn't concerned with Felton's gun charges nor Chandler's discontent with NY. It is delusional to think Felton remaining in NY with the media on his tail would "thrive" or "penetrate". He was carrion for the sports press - not a cancer but an open festering wound. The last thing Phil needed to change the culture.

As for Chandler, his on the court behavior was out of control - idiotic. His team attitude was worse. Phil got what he could get - take it or leave it.

Same argument applies to Fisher. Gotta keep your nose clean in NY.

Absolutely. The same logic applies to the Shump/JR trade. They were not buying in to the system - advertising it with attitude and indifference - their alternative play sucked (and I liked them both). Given the new sheriff in town, their situation was self-inflicted stupidity. And, this taught Melo some respect for the organization. He should have been riding herd on both of them.

I think, Early, will be gone because innocent as he may have been in the shooting incident, nobody gets shot if they're tending to business.

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sixth man award winners and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

JR was ridiculous his last full year in NY. Shump wasn't great. I don't know if JR ever grows up if he stayed in nyc. Also, I don't know if either was buying into Fisher's coaching. After they were moved Lance and Lou were praised for picking up the triangle so quickly and changing the character of the team.

Not disagreeing with move to get them to another situation. Nor that they had negatives. But again, no player has zero value. It's okay to say they were playing bad or you didn't like JR'S maturity. But lets not pretend there was zero value there. Specially, when as mentioned, Cleveland saw them as future pieces. Think Phil was the experienced coach in that situation but not the experienced GM that exploited possible value. But like I said, overall good moves. Just tough to see zero value guys making up 2 out 5 major players on the Cavs.

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Probably the lone highlight of Jackson's regime so far is hiring Clarence Gaines Jr in the summer of 2014.

Is that "nepotism"? Or part of the process of decision making. Bring in people you know, trust and admire?
He hired Kerr.
He did not panic and starphuck. Instead he tore it down making us endure a 17 win season. We had a top 4 pick and no other way to get a cornerstone player than to go that route.
He resigned Melo, who is either a 22p scorer or trade chip asset.
He Trade Tyson. Sorry, the guy was toast. So was Felton. If you think he could have done better prove it. If you hoped he could have done better he might even agree with "hope".

Nothing any GM does is always perfect. This roster was crap and we didn't even have our pick. Who else should run this place and why would he have done better??

Overall decent moves. Although you take away KP playing as he did in first half of year and your left with even more criticism. Does stink seeing Shump and JR close to sweeping the Hawks and playing major minutes. I know we were not getting anything for them at the time but would have been nice to let them play into some kind of value. Or until Cleveland offered something for them. Anything. Just don't see many teams giving up former sith man and young talented stop defenders for nothing.

it seems like we sold low across the board. Phil wanted to play it slow but he should have started selling right when he came in while there was still some value. Its not always best to be slow and deliberate.

JR Smith never had value when he was in New York cause he was a tool bag the whole time with us and EVERYONE from us fans to every writer/media guy was saying we would never be able to get anyone to take on JR and his contract so we gave up Shump for Clev to take him and we weren't gonna re-sign Shump after the season anyway so it was a good deal to get rid of him and i'll take L.Thomas and the future 2nd round picks over JR and Shump all day long. So lets not act like the JR trade was a bad trade now that you see JR not being a tool bag like he was in New York.

JR was a toolbag here but perhaps Phil could have worked with him/them. Not be like Woody and allow him to do whatever JR wanna do.

JR just may not be capable of working in NY but even if we all agreed with it then, its still looks shaky now.

Lance Thomas is a FA so we may have nothing from him. 2nd round picks are ok but almost always fail.

The main issue that I have was not trading Chandler and probably Melo right away. He could have gotten a ton for them. Look what Cleveland gave up for Mozgov.

Phil is obviously a really smart guy but unfortunately, he is not a young guy who has time to make all these mistakes and reboots.

He has to put up this year and there are absolutely no excuses. He will have that chance.

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

Nalod wrote:JR was as a knick was a partying dude who was the clown prince on the floor with his antics. Under pressure, he also caved with untimely Techs, elbows, etc.
IN Cleve he is surrounded by far superior players than he was in NY.
No one ever questioned his talent, its his value that one can. Fact is, we as fans don't know the offers. In hindsight, it looks like we gave him away. WE did. But what was the alternatives?

Good points. People act like Phil didn't talk with every team that was even a little interested in any of those guys and that he didn't get the absolute best deal he could at that time. It was very clear at the time that trading them was gonna be an almost impossible thing to do so he got what he could and they all needed to go.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good decision:

Paying Shump 10mil a year. Is he worth it? Perhaps to Cleveland who is way over the cap but seriously contending.
Phil moved them to contenders and they got paid. Not a dick move btw, and one that agents like to tell players that "Knicks don't screw over their guys when able".

The Cavs would be just as good without JR and Shump because they have Lebron.....oh and they have Kyrie and Love as well. Lebron took some teams with much less talent around him to the NBA finals in his 1st go around with the Cavs.

Could be. JR and Shump were very key in the playoffs last year. Shump will be needed for his defense. JR makes them very deep.
Last year with no Love and NO Irving they got thin. LIke I said, those two played very well. This year, they are not needed as much.