simrud wrote:So I used to follow the Knicks much closer back in the day - I'm one of the old time posters - used to be one anyways. Last few years just stopped caring as much.

I'm getting a bit back into it pretty surprised at how pessimistic people are around here.

From where I'm looking we went from capped out till the end of of time and having not 1, not 2, but 3 under sized fat PFs rotating in the front court (Weathespoon, Harrington, Malik Rose) to a having a possible franchise 7 3 player and a fantastic cap situation, including long term.

I'm just using the above rotation example as anecdotal, but I'm sure I could do the same for just about every position on the team.

I mean cmon we went from maxing out 1 dimensional broken down Allan Houston to maxing out a legit top 10 player in Melo and the list goes on.

It's funny you mention Allan Houston and Melo in the same sentence, because it follows the Knicks trend of maxing out past their prime players in their 30s on sharp declines (Amare being the other max player).

The reason for the negativity is we have one 7'3 unicorn and not much else. Our near future is pretty bleak, as we have no draft pick, no coach (Rambis is the front runner somehow), and identical cap space to half the teams in the NBA.

Until we can pair KP with another blue chip prospect (hopefully a lottery pick in the 2017 draft) that coincides with his prime, a fundamentally sound flexible sharp coach that's not reliant on an archaic system, and a true franchise free agent like a Russell Westbrook that can ignite this city....we'll be bottom feeding for awhile.

ChuckBuck wrote:

simrud wrote:So I used to follow the Knicks much closer back in the day - I'm one of the old time posters - used to be one anyways. Last few years just stopped caring as much.

I'm getting a bit back into it pretty surprised at how pessimistic people are around here.

From where I'm looking we went from capped out till the end of of time and having not 1, not 2, but 3 under sized fat PFs rotating in the front court (Weathespoon, Harrington, Malik Rose) to a having a possible franchise 7 3 player and a fantastic cap situation, including long term.

I'm just using the above rotation example as anecdotal, but I'm sure I could do the same for just about every position on the team.

I mean cmon we went from maxing out 1 dimensional broken down Allan Houston to maxing out a legit top 10 player in Melo and the list goes on.

It's funny you mention Allan Houston and Melo in the same sentence, because it follows the Knicks trend of maxing out past their prime players in their 30s on sharp declines (Amare being the other max player).

The reason for the negativity is we have one 7'3 unicorn and not much else. Our near future is pretty bleak, as we have no draft pick, no coach (Rambis is the front runner somehow), and identical cap space to half the teams in the NBA.

Until we can pair KP with another blue chip prospect (hopefully a lottery pick in the 2017 draft) that coincides with his prime, a fundamentally sound flexible sharp coach that's not reliant on an archaic system, and a true franchise free agent like a Russell Westbrook that can ignite this city....we'll be bottom feeding for awhile.

You seem to be overlooking Jerian and Willy. Jerian is just finishing his rookie season and at least flashed his potential. Willy looked good for Real Madrid and we'll see what he can bring. RoLo was very good and MELO, KP and RoLo are looking like a top Frontcourt going forward.

The coach issue will be resolved and it's not the huge issue some are making it out to be. This team has a chance to add a couple of players this summer. The big need is at guard. That shows the progress cuz we had more holes last year. I doubt this team will be bottom feeders going forward.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

simrud wrote:So I used to follow the Knicks much closer back in the day - I'm one of the old time posters - used to be one anyways. Last few years just stopped caring as much.

I'm getting a bit back into it pretty surprised at how pessimistic people are around here.

From where I'm looking we went from capped out till the end of of time and having not 1, not 2, but 3 under sized fat PFs rotating in the front court (Weathespoon, Harrington, Malik Rose) to a having a possible franchise 7 3 player and a fantastic cap situation, including long term.

I'm just using the above rotation example as anecdotal, but I'm sure I could do the same for just about every position on the team.

I mean cmon we went from maxing out 1 dimensional broken down Allan Houston to maxing out a legit top 10 player in Melo and the list goes on.

It's funny you mention Allan Houston and Melo in the same sentence, because it follows the Knicks trend of maxing out past their prime players in their 30s on sharp declines (Amare being the other max player).

The reason for the negativity is we have one 7'3 unicorn and not much else. Our near future is pretty bleak, as we have no draft pick, no coach (Rambis is the front runner somehow), and identical cap space to half the teams in the NBA.

Until we can pair KP with another blue chip prospect (hopefully a lottery pick in the 2017 draft) that coincides with his prime, a fundamentally sound flexible sharp coach that's not reliant on an archaic system, and a true franchise free agent like a Russell Westbrook that can ignite this city....we'll be bottom feeding for awhile.

your future is bleak because your head is in Melo's toilet. Take it out, smell some fresh air and things will change. Or keep in Melo's toilet. Your choice.

I'm not even factoring Melo in the equation, friendo. Stop obsessing over him already, his career arc is done.

It's all about building around KP, and finding a suitable running mate in the 2017 draft.

It's funny you're saying you're not factoring him in, since you mention him in the first sentence of your post, and you leave him out of your miserable little hater life plan. After his best all-around season. He leads the team in 3 major categories, but his career arc is done. But you're not factoring him in. Check. Keep ignoring that NTC. I truly hope that works out for you somehow.

The reasons for your negativity are essentially one: Melo. Which is why you can overlook Phil's tear down of the entire team, include the words "7'3 unicorn" and "bleak future" in the same thought, ignore the fact Phil hasn't starphucqued at the cost of any draft picks at all, and completely ignore Rolo and the value of anyone else on the team.

While pining away about one lost draft pick and obsessing over not being in great franchise situations like Philly, Orlando or Utah.

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

simrud wrote:So I used to follow the Knicks much closer back in the day - I'm one of the old time posters - used to be one anyways. Last few years just stopped caring as much.

I'm getting a bit back into it pretty surprised at how pessimistic people are around here.

From where I'm looking we went from capped out till the end of of time and having not 1, not 2, but 3 under sized fat PFs rotating in the front court (Weathespoon, Harrington, Malik Rose) to a having a possible franchise 7 3 player and a fantastic cap situation, including long term.

I'm just using the above rotation example as anecdotal, but I'm sure I could do the same for just about every position on the team.

I mean cmon we went from maxing out 1 dimensional broken down Allan Houston to maxing out a legit top 10 player in Melo and the list goes on.

It's funny you mention Allan Houston and Melo in the same sentence, because it follows the Knicks trend of maxing out past their prime players in their 30s on sharp declines (Amare being the other max player).

The reason for the negativity is we have one 7'3 unicorn and not much else. Our near future is pretty bleak, as we have no draft pick, no coach (Rambis is the front runner somehow), and identical cap space to half the teams in the NBA.

Until we can pair KP with another blue chip prospect (hopefully a lottery pick in the 2017 draft) that coincides with his prime, a fundamentally sound flexible sharp coach that's not reliant on an archaic system, and a true franchise free agent like a Russell Westbrook that can ignite this city....we'll be bottom feeding for awhile.

your future is bleak because your head is in Melo's toilet. Take it out, smell some fresh air and things will change. Or keep in Melo's toilet. Your choice.

I'm not even factoring Melo in the equation, friendo. Stop obsessing over him already, his career arc is done.

It's all about building around KP, and finding a suitable running mate in the 2017 draft.

It's funny you're saying you're not factoring him in, since you mention him in the first sentence of your post, and you leave him out of your miserable little hater life plan. After his best all-around season. He leads the team in 3 major categories, but his career arc is done. But you're not factoring him in. Check. Keep ignoring that NTC. I truly hope that works out for you somehow.

The reasons for your negativity are essentially one: Melo. Which is why you can overlook Phil's tear down of the entire team, include the words "7'3 unicorn" and "bleak future" in the same thought, ignore the fact Phil hasn't starphucqued at the cost of any draft picks at all, and completely ignore Rolo and the value of anyone else on the team.

While pining away about one lost draft pick and obsessing over not being in great franchise situations like Philly, Orlando or Utah.

That was Melo's best overall season? Leading the Knicks with 4 assists a game is considered ground breaking? That just points to our terrible point guards.

Come on man, overall this was one of Melo's worst seasons. He shared the ball a little, but he still sucks defensively and efficiency wise had one of his worst scoring seasons.

Be realistic man.

SMALL FORWARDS
PLAYER		LAST
WEEK	CHANGE	GP	RATINGMPG	PPG	RPG	APG	FG %	FT %
1. LeBron James, CLE	82.90	N/A	+82.90	37	37.3	26.4	5.6	7.4	49.2	73.3
2. Rudy Gay, SAC	75.30	N/A	+75.30	40	35.2	20.2	6.0	4.1	44.8	86.4
3. Gordon Hayward, UTA	74.80	N/A	+74.80	45	34.9	19.2	4.7	4.1	45.6	81.1
4. Carmelo Anthony, NY	72.84	N/A	+72.84	34	36.1	24.1	6.7	3.1	45.0	79.1
5. Tobias Harris, ORL	69.44	N/A	+69.44	41	34.4	17.4	6.6	1.9	46.5	78.8
6. Draymond Green, GS	68.27	N/A	+68.27	43	31.9	11.6	8.0	3.6	44.0	69.5
7. Cndler Parsons, DAL	67.15	N/A	+67.15	45	32.9	15.5	4.6	2.2	45.7	72.9
8. Luol Deng, MIA	66.21	N/A	+66.21	41	32.7	14.3	5.0	1.9	49.6	71.9
9. AWiggins, MIN	65.84	N/A	+65.84	44	33.5	15.2	4.3	1.8	42.9	72.4
10. Kevin Durant, OKC	65.54	N/A	+65.54	21	33.1	25.6	6.7	4.1	51.9	85.8

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

simrud wrote:So I used to follow the Knicks much closer back in the day - I'm one of the old time posters - used to be one anyways. Last few years just stopped caring as much.

I'm getting a bit back into it pretty surprised at how pessimistic people are around here.

From where I'm looking we went from capped out till the end of of time and having not 1, not 2, but 3 under sized fat PFs rotating in the front court (Weathespoon, Harrington, Malik Rose) to a having a possible franchise 7 3 player and a fantastic cap situation, including long term.

I'm just using the above rotation example as anecdotal, but I'm sure I could do the same for just about every position on the team.

I mean cmon we went from maxing out 1 dimensional broken down Allan Houston to maxing out a legit top 10 player in Melo and the list goes on.

It's funny you mention Allan Houston and Melo in the same sentence, because it follows the Knicks trend of maxing out past their prime players in their 30s on sharp declines (Amare being the other max player).

The reason for the negativity is we have one 7'3 unicorn and not much else. Our near future is pretty bleak, as we have no draft pick, no coach (Rambis is the front runner somehow), and identical cap space to half the teams in the NBA.

Until we can pair KP with another blue chip prospect (hopefully a lottery pick in the 2017 draft) that coincides with his prime, a fundamentally sound flexible sharp coach that's not reliant on an archaic system, and a true franchise free agent like a Russell Westbrook that can ignite this city....we'll be bottom feeding for awhile.

your future is bleak because your head is in Melo's toilet. Take it out, smell some fresh air and things will change. Or keep in Melo's toilet. Your choice.

I'm not even factoring Melo in the equation, friendo. Stop obsessing over him already, his career arc is done.

It's all about building around KP, and finding a suitable running mate in the 2017 draft.

It's funny you're saying you're not factoring him in, since you mention him in the first sentence of your post, and you leave him out of your miserable little hater life plan. After his best all-around season. He leads the team in 3 major categories, but his career arc is done. But you're not factoring him in. Check. Keep ignoring that NTC. I truly hope that works out for you somehow.

The reasons for your negativity are essentially one: Melo. Which is why you can overlook Phil's tear down of the entire team, include the words "7'3 unicorn" and "bleak future" in the same thought, ignore the fact Phil hasn't starphucqued at the cost of any draft picks at all, and completely ignore Rolo and the value of anyone else on the team.

While pining away about one lost draft pick and obsessing over not being in great franchise situations like Philly, Orlando or Utah.

That was Melo's best overall season? Leading the Knicks with 4 assists a game is considered ground breaking? That just points to our terrible point guards.

Come on man, overall this was one of Melo's worst seasons. He shared the ball a little, but he still sucks defensively and efficiency wise had one of his worst scoring seasons.

Be realistic man.

SMALL FORWARDS
PLAYER		LAST
WEEK	CHANGE	GP	RATINGMPG	PPG	RPG	APG	FG %	FT %
1. LeBron James, CLE	82.90	N/A	+82.90	37	37.3	26.4	5.6	7.4	49.2	73.3
2. Rudy Gay, SAC	75.30	N/A	+75.30	40	35.2	20.2	6.0	4.1	44.8	86.4
3. Gordon Hayward, UTA	74.80	N/A	+74.80	45	34.9	19.2	4.7	4.1	45.6	81.1
4. Carmelo Anthony, NY	72.84	N/A	+72.84	34	36.1	24.1	6.7	3.1	45.0	79.1
5. Tobias Harris, ORL	69.44	N/A	+69.44	41	34.4	17.4	6.6	1.9	46.5	78.8
6. Draymond Green, GS	68.27	N/A	+68.27	43	31.9	11.6	8.0	3.6	44.0	69.5
7. Cndler Parsons, DAL	67.15	N/A	+67.15	45	32.9	15.5	4.6	2.2	45.7	72.9
8. Luol Deng, MIA	66.21	N/A	+66.21	41	32.7	14.3	5.0	1.9	49.6	71.9
9. AWiggins, MIN	65.84	N/A	+65.84	44	33.5	15.2	4.3	1.8	42.9	72.4
10. Kevin Durant, OKC	65.54	N/A	+65.54	21	33.1	25.6	6.7	4.1	51.9	85.8

What am I phucking looking at here? And in no world, statistical or eye test, is Melo better than Draymond Green or Kevin Durant at small forward.