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ESPN-- Knicks have roughly 18 mm in cap space
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BRIGGS
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4/23/2016  7:22 AM
30 mm if affalo Williams opt out --- is this right? I thought we had 27 - 30 mm without anyone opting out
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4/23/2016  7:55 AM
Sounds about right to me. I think it would've been 14 but the cap was slightly higher than originally projected. Depends whether we renounce Lance too I believe.
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4/23/2016  8:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2016  8:55 AM
We'd get max money if we renounce everyone and Derrick and affalo both opt out.... free agents place a salary hold on the cap until they are renounced aka officially let go by the team.
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4/23/2016  10:41 AM
I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.
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4/23/2016  10:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.

are you able to replace Calderon's production with $3.5MM?

He played surprisingly well, and as the 4th or 5th guard off, not a bad player to have. Plus, an ending contracting so that is worth something as well.

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BRIGGS wrote:I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.

are you able to replace Calderon's production with $3.5MM?

He played surprisingly well, and as the 4th or 5th guard off, not a bad player to have. Plus, an ending contracting so that is worth something as well.

I don't think having Calderon is a net positive.

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4/23/2016  12:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:30 mm if affalo Williams opt out --- is this right? I thought we had 27 - 30 mm without anyone opting out

Afflalo and DWill make a combined $14M next season, so if they opt out, it'd be more like $33M, I think.

That's including qualifying offers / cap holds to Langston Galloway and Lance Thomas, too. If we cut those guys loose, there'd be more room.

Also, if we stretch Jose, we can create something like $5M more, I think. Or at least $3.6M more. Totally worth it to stretch him, I think.

I think using an estimate of $35M is safe.

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4/23/2016  1:47 PM
Stretching Calderon would be silly at this point. He expires after this season so his contract has value as a trade asset or cap space next season. Plus he is servicable as the second or,3rd guard off the bench. I mean if we get agreements from Batum and Conley or something and the only thing standing in the way is a couple mil then sure, but that's not gonna happen. Patience.
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4/23/2016  2:50 PM
yeah those numbers sound about right. also please remember that cap space is not as important this yr since EVERYONE AND THEIR MAMA has it. relatively speaking, the knicks dont have that much cap space
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4/23/2016  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2016  3:54 PM
callmened wrote:yeah those numbers sound about right. also please remember that cap space is not as important this yr since EVERYONE AND THEIR MAMA has it. relatively speaking, the knicks dont have that much cap space

Well it is all relative. Not everyone with a ton of cap space will be looking to spend it. Not everyone with cap space will be looking for the same players we are. So there will naturally be teams that we aren't going to be competing with for the players we want because they aren't interested in those players.

The very few elite Guard and Wing players on the market is a bigger issue for the Knicks. Those players rarely move anyway, so it's gonna take some special circumstance to get fortunate enough to land one. Chances are better that this team will continue to look for up and coming guys or talented players that need development. I can imagine the Knicks might look to offer big contracts to up and coming RFA's in hopes that their team won't match.

2016 Restricted Free Agents

PLAYER POS. AGE YOE FROM TO 2015 CAP HIT STATUS
Jordan Clarkson PG 23 1 LAL TBD $845,059 RFA
Bryce Cotton PG 23 1 MEM TBD $49,709 RFA
Isaiah Canaan PG 24 2 PHI TBD $947,276 RFA
Langston Galloway PG 24 1 NYK TBD $845,059 RFA
Tim Frazier PG 25 1 NOP TBD $94,448 RFA
Jorge Gutierrez PG 27 2 CHA TBD $189,455 RFA
Marcelo Huertas PG 32 LAL TBD $525,093 RFA

Bradley Beal SG 22 3 WAS TBD $5,694,674 RFA
Tyler Johnson SG 22 1 MIA TBD $845,059 RFA
Sergey Karasev SG 22 2 BKN TBD $1,599,840 RFA
Evan Fournier SG 23 3 ORL TBD $2,288,204 RFA
Dion Waiters SG 24 3 OKC TBD $5,138,430 RFA
Markel Brown SG 24 1 BKN TBD $845,059 RFA
Troy Daniels SG 24 2 CHA TBD $947,276 RFA
Ian Clark SG 25 2 GSW TBD $947,276 RFA

Maurice Harkless SF 22 3 POR TBD $2,894,059 RFA
Harrison Barnes SF 23 3 GSW TBD $3,873,398 RFA
James McAdoo SF 23 1 GSW TBD $845,059 RFA
Allen Crabbe SF 24 2 POR TBD $947,276 RFA
Jarell Eddie SF 24 1 WAS TBD $561,716 RFA
Cleanthony Early SF 25 1 NYK TBD $845,059 RFA
James Ennis SF 25 1 NOP TBD $49,709 RFA

Cliff Alexander PF 20 POR TBD $525,093 RFA
Christian Wood PF 20 PHI TBD $30,888 RFA
Terrence Jones PF 24 3 HOU TBD $2,489,529 RFA
Jared Sullinger PF 24 3 BOS TBD $2,269,260 RFA
Dwight Powell PF 24 1 DAL TBD $845,059 RFA
Donatas Motiejunas PF 25 3 HOU TBD $2,288,205 RFA
Andrew Nicholson PF 26 3 ORL TBD $2,380,593 RFA

Andre Drummond C 22 3 DET TBD $3,272,090 RFA
Meyers Leonard C 24 3 POR TBD $3,075,879 RFA
Tarik Black C 24 1 LAL TBD $845,059 RFA
Tyler Zeller C 26 3 BOS TBD $2,616,975 RFA
Festus Ezeli C 26 3 GSW TBD $2,008,748 RFA
Miles Plumlee C 27 3 MIL TBD $2,109,293 RFA
Boban Marjanovic C 27 SAS TBD $1,200,000 RFA

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4/23/2016  4:03 PM
So my number may be off a tad here and there but this is it in a nutshell.

			Salary
Player 2016-17
Carmelo Anthony $24,559,380
Robin Lopez $13,500,000
Afflalo $8,000,000
Jose Calderon $7,708,427
Dwill $5,100,000
Kristaps Porzingis $4,317,720
Kyle O'Quinn $3,900,000
Lance Thomas $1,900,000
Jerian Grant $1,643,040
Langston Galloway $2,700,000
Sasha Vujacic
Cleanthony Early
Team Totals $73,328,567
Projected Cap $92,000,000
Cap Space $18,671,433

I think Lance Thomas cap hold is $1.9M and Galloway is $2.7M because he met 2000 minutes on the season. AA and DWill are obviously player options. If you stretch Jose, you add approximately $5M to your cap space.

I might be off on Gallo's cap hold, but he can be cut and then the cap hold would only be $850,000.

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4/24/2016  10:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2016  10:14 AM
Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

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4/24/2016  12:02 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to **** up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

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4/24/2016  12:16 PM
VCoug wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to **** up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.
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4/24/2016  12:58 PM
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VCoug wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to **** up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.

A normal year? So you give Phil credit for not giving out bad contracts but did he even have the opportunity. I mean I guess you can give him credit for not signing AA to a long deal or Williams to a higher salary and a longer deal but I really can't see a front office executive getting credit for signing two players to deals with 2yr/player options. There's no upside to those deals unless you trade them at the deadline because if they play well you either lose them or sign then to a longer deal the next year.

I think VCoug and maybe some others are short to give Phil credit for becoming President when all the big contracts were coming off the books.

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4/24/2016  1:12 PM
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VCoug wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to **** up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.

Yeah, and in 2015 almost all of our large contracts expired which has nothing to do with Phil. With the cap explosion and Bargnani, Amare, and Tyson expiring the same year the only way we could be in cap hell is if Phil had resigned those guys to huge contracts.

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ESPN-- Knicks have roughly 18 mm in cap space

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