The attraction of Phil Jackson running the New York Knicks was he would bring a sensibility to the organization that often didn’t exist.

Whether you agreed or disagreed with the moves Jackson made through the pre-firing Derek Fisher portion of his tenure, his presence became easier to accept because of a level of stability.

The team owned by James Dolan was going along in a rational manner.

They didn’t return much value for Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith, but you could see a level of logic behind both trades. Despite it taking longer than it should have – Carmelo Anthony did eventually shut it down for the season due to a knee injury. The dead weight on the team was sent away with Amar’e Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani being bought out.

First-year head coach Derek Fisher spent about half the season experimenting with a more pick and roll based offense rather than the triangle and giving different players an opportunity to prove themselves.

Yea, they screwed up winning a couple games at the end of the season, but it’s not fair to expect players to not go out and try. It was just unfortunate results.

Drafting Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant brought along hope of Jackson being more open to adjusting New York’s playing style due to their skills sets in a good start to his second full offseason on the job.

Free agency should have been the first sign of slight concern when it came to Jackson’s view of what he wanted the team to be. He went after too many bigs and not enough attention to players who could break down a defense off the dribble.

Nothing Jackson did was overly harmful, but he gave insight into what he was looking for with how he constructed the roster. Individually, none of the contracts he gave out were bad, yet in totality they didn’t make all that much sense.

All that said, it wasn’t the end of the world. Rebuilding the Knicks roster from the tear down was more than a one-offseason process. Jackson needed to be given more time to flesh out what he was trying to accomplish.

The season started and the Knicks overachieved. Fisher implemented a smarter defensive scheme that tried to force teams into mid-range shots and the offense was a decent balance of using triangle principles and modern concepts. It wasn’t perfect, but it was something you could live with.

Fisher worked on developing Porzingis and Grant, maximized Thomas’ versatility on the defensive end, had Anthony playing brilliant all-around basketball and managed minutes in a decent fashion.

Once they hit 22-22, one of the healthiest teams in the league at that point in the season, started getting banged up. The nine-man rotation Fisher settled on could no longer be used and the Knicks lack of quality depth shined through. They played a bunch of close games and battled hard, but couldn’t close anything out.

Thinking back on it, in Fisher’s last games it was almost like he was trying to prove a point. In first halves he Knicks would run mainly triangle based offensive sets leading to them falling behind. In second halves they’d run a ton of spread PnR storming back into the game.

This pattern happened quite frequently.

Was it Fisher trying to prove a point to Jackson?

If he was should have Fisher tried to communicate better with his boss instead of being standoffish? Yep.

Should have Jackson been smart enough to see what was happening and not be stubborn about the type of offense that was being implemented? Yep.

The basketball reasons to fire Fisher didn’t make much sense. If it was other dealings that were more involved with off the court shenanigans so be it. Whatever the case, when Jackson made the decision to fire Fisher he tore down what he had worked so hard to build up – an appearance of stability.

Teams that are stable don’t fire coaches less than two years into a job with a group that was on track to be one of the most improved in the NBA.

Jackson made his buddy Kurt Rambis interim head coach and ever since they’ve gone back to their old cluster**** ways.

Rambis trying to “win now” (poorly by the way, he’s not even good at that) has led to potential bad consequences. Melo is getting overplayed, they’ve swung towards increased base triangle action, the protect the paint screw threes defense is back, Sasha Vujacic’s role has increased while Grant’s has decreased and Porzingis is being used incorrectly.

The scary part of all of this is Rambis and Jackson openly discuss how improved the communication between the two of them is compared to Fisher and Jackson.

Simply put………that’s terrifying.

Even while only winning 17 games what made Jackson’s first year a success was an understanding of where the team was and what needed to be accomplished.

The same hasn’t happened this season – it feels like Jackson has become short sighted.

Outside of unrealistic trade rumors involving Jeff Teague – there’s been no attempt to address their slow, plodding, lack of dribble penetration backcourt.

Lower level guards such as Mario Chalmers, D.J. Augustin, Shelvin Mack and Ish Smith were all traded during the regular season. Maybe getting one of them wasn’t realistic, but a move of that elk could have been made.

They’ve had two players come on 10-day contracts in Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Jimmer Fredette and neither was given a chance to contribute in a meaningful way.

And the Fredette circus should have never been at MSG in the first place.

Jackson been content allowing Lou Amundson, Cleanthony Early and Vujacic eat up roster spots and not contribute in a positive way.

Jackson’s managing of the Knicks roster this season has lacked ingenuity and creativity.

Once the playoffs became unrealistic a smartly run team would have preserved Melo, experimented with an offense revolving around Porzingis and Grant’s skills, and used two or three roster spots to try to find cheap talent to add to the team gong forward.

The reason to be worried about Jackson has nothing to do with what his record is since being in charge of the Knicks. It’s quite the opposite – the bad record shows he understood what needed to be done in his first full year on the job. The roster is in a healthier place than where it was when Jackson took it over.

The question is with the decision-making and vision Jackson has demonstrated this season can he be trusted to be in charge of the Knicks going forward?

If Jackson isn’t able to set aside his ego in regards to the next coach and how the Knicks on court product should be shaped – what needs to happen is so painful I don’t have the will to even spell it out.

Tags: Amare Stoudemire, Andrea BargnaniA, Carmelo Anthony, derek fisher, iman shumpert, J.R. Smith, James Dolan, Jerian Grant, Kristaps Porzingis, new york knicks, Phil Jackson, Simmer Fredette, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Tyson Chandler

mreinman wrote:http://knickerblogger.net/phil-jackson-destroyed-the-stability-he-created-with-knicks/

The attraction of Phil Jackson running the New York Knicks was he would bring a sensibility to the organization that often didn’t exist.

Whether you agreed or disagreed with the moves Jackson made through the pre-firing Derek Fisher portion of his tenure, his presence became easier to accept because of a level of stability.

The team owned by James Dolan was going along in a rational manner.

They didn’t return much value for Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith, but you could see a level of logic behind both trades. Despite it taking longer than it should have – Carmelo Anthony did eventually shut it down for the season due to a knee injury. The dead weight on the team was sent away with Amar’e Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani being bought out.

First-year head coach Derek Fisher spent about half the season experimenting with a more pick and roll based offense rather than the triangle and giving different players an opportunity to prove themselves.

Yea, they screwed up winning a couple games at the end of the season, but it’s not fair to expect players to not go out and try. It was just unfortunate results.

Drafting Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant brought along hope of Jackson being more open to adjusting New York’s playing style due to their skills sets in a good start to his second full offseason on the job.

Free agency should have been the first sign of slight concern when it came to Jackson’s view of what he wanted the team to be. He went after too many bigs and not enough attention to players who could break down a defense off the dribble.

Nothing Jackson did was overly harmful, but he gave insight into what he was looking for with how he constructed the roster. Individually, none of the contracts he gave out were bad, yet in totality they didn’t make all that much sense.

All that said, it wasn’t the end of the world. Rebuilding the Knicks roster from the tear down was more than a one-offseason process. Jackson needed to be given more time to flesh out what he was trying to accomplish.

The season started and the Knicks overachieved. Fisher implemented a smarter defensive scheme that tried to force teams into mid-range shots and the offense was a decent balance of using triangle principles and modern concepts. It wasn’t perfect, but it was something you could live with.

Fisher worked on developing Porzingis and Grant, maximized Thomas’ versatility on the defensive end, had Anthony playing brilliant all-around basketball and managed minutes in a decent fashion.

Once they hit 22-22, one of the healthiest teams in the league at that point in the season, started getting banged up. The nine-man rotation Fisher settled on could no longer be used and the Knicks lack of quality depth shined through. They played a bunch of close games and battled hard, but couldn’t close anything out.

Thinking back on it, in Fisher’s last games it was almost like he was trying to prove a point. In first halves he Knicks would run mainly triangle based offensive sets leading to them falling behind. In second halves they’d run a ton of spread PnR storming back into the game.

This pattern happened quite frequently.

Was it Fisher trying to prove a point to Jackson?

If he was should have Fisher tried to communicate better with his boss instead of being standoffish? Yep.

Should have Jackson been smart enough to see what was happening and not be stubborn about the type of offense that was being implemented? Yep.

The basketball reasons to fire Fisher didn’t make much sense. If it was other dealings that were more involved with off the court shenanigans so be it. Whatever the case, when Jackson made the decision to fire Fisher he tore down what he had worked so hard to build up – an appearance of stability.

Teams that are stable don’t fire coaches less than two years into a job with a group that was on track to be one of the most improved in the NBA.

Jackson made his buddy Kurt Rambis interim head coach and ever since they’ve gone back to their old cluster**** ways.

Rambis trying to “win now” (poorly by the way, he’s not even good at that) has led to potential bad consequences. Melo is getting overplayed, they’ve swung towards increased base triangle action, the protect the paint screw threes defense is back, Sasha Vujacic’s role has increased while Grant’s has decreased and Porzingis is being used incorrectly.

The scary part of all of this is Rambis and Jackson openly discuss how improved the communication between the two of them is compared to Fisher and Jackson.

Simply put………that’s terrifying.

Even while only winning 17 games what made Jackson’s first year a success was an understanding of where the team was and what needed to be accomplished.

The same hasn’t happened this season – it feels like Jackson has become short sighted.

Outside of unrealistic trade rumors involving Jeff Teague – there’s been no attempt to address their slow, plodding, lack of dribble penetration backcourt.

Lower level guards such as Mario Chalmers, D.J. Augustin, Shelvin Mack and Ish Smith were all traded during the regular season. Maybe getting one of them wasn’t realistic, but a move of that elk could have been made.

They’ve had two players come on 10-day contracts in Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Jimmer Fredette and neither was given a chance to contribute in a meaningful way.

And the Fredette circus should have never been at MSG in the first place.

Jackson been content allowing Lou Amundson, Cleanthony Early and Vujacic eat up roster spots and not contribute in a positive way.

Jackson’s managing of the Knicks roster this season has lacked ingenuity and creativity.

Once the playoffs became unrealistic a smartly run team would have preserved Melo, experimented with an offense revolving around Porzingis and Grant’s skills, and used two or three roster spots to try to find cheap talent to add to the team gong forward.

The reason to be worried about Jackson has nothing to do with what his record is since being in charge of the Knicks. It’s quite the opposite – the bad record shows he understood what needed to be done in his first full year on the job. The roster is in a healthier place than where it was when Jackson took it over.

The question is with the decision-making and vision Jackson has demonstrated this season can he be trusted to be in charge of the Knicks going forward?

If Jackson isn’t able to set aside his ego in regards to the next coach and how the Knicks on court product should be shaped – what needs to happen is so painful I don’t have the will to even spell it out.

Tags: Amare Stoudemire, Andrea BargnaniA, Carmelo Anthony, derek fisher, iman shumpert, J.R. Smith, James Dolan, Jerian Grant, Kristaps Porzingis, new york knicks, Phil Jackson, Simmer Fredette, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Tyson Chandler

the painful truth

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Nix when was the last time we had a roster full of bad contracts other than Amare and melo, we've been relatively decent since 09/10 season

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Nix when was the last time we had a roster full of bad contracts other than Amare and melo, we've been relatively decent since 09/10 season

The Simple fact is that Phil has to improve the guard play one way or another. Get that done and this is gonna be a playoff team. There's not some long list of things that needs to be done. It's all pretty clear now, but the hard part is WHO can Phil get and how much can we develop the young talent we have?
We'll have money but who do we spend it on?

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Nix when was the last time we had a roster full of bad contracts other than Amare and melo, we've been relatively decent since 09/10 season

Why ask the question that way. A roster full of bad contracts? Not sure what this has to do with anything. Phil hasn't made any fatal moves, so this meme that he's somehow messing up the team are utter BS. That's the point. We're not stuck and we have some flexibility going forward.

The Simple fact is that Phil has to improve the guard play one way or another. Get that done and this is gonna be a playoff team. There's not some long list of things that needs to be done. It's all pretty clear now, but the hard part is WHO can Phil get and how much can we develop the young talent we have?
We'll have money but who do we spend it on?

And what about the coach, because it's becoming crystal clear phil wants a puppet

As for Blatt if he is actually brought in my guess is that he would agree to run the Triangle, which in a way makes sense given the amount of focus the team has had on it. This is Phil's prerogative to decide what he wants the team to be. In fact when GM's choose a coach they are in essence deciding what the team is going to run. You think the coach keeps it a secret? No i'm pretty sure they ask any new coach what his philosophy is and how he sees it working with the team he's going to inherit. The Lakers decided not to bring back Phil but instead went with MDA cuz they thought he'd work better with the players they had at the time and they wanted an uptempo PnR offense. So in essence the GM was choosing what the team would run.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Nix when was the last time we had a roster full of bad contracts other than Amare and melo, we've been relatively decent since 09/10 season

Why ask the question that way. A roster full of bad contracts? Not sure what this has to do with anything. Phil hasn't made any fatal moves, so this meme that he's somehow messing up the team are utter BS. That's the point. We're not stuck and we have some flexibility going forward.

The Simple fact is that Phil has to improve the guard play one way or another. Get that done and this is gonna be a playoff team. There's not some long list of things that needs to be done. It's all pretty clear now, but the hard part is WHO can Phil get and how much can we develop the young talent we have?
We'll have money but who do we spend it on?

And what about the coach, because it's becoming crystal clear phil wants a puppet

You make it seem like thats a bad thing? Remember when we had GM's and coach's not in synch with each other? It sucked.

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Just like it said in the article, the team is in better shape now then they were when Phil took over. This team is not in bad shape at all and like i've been saying in two years which will be the 3rd year of rebuilding this team they'll be a team competing for not only the playoffs but making noise in the playoffs.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's a well written article, but one thing comes to my mind. NONE of the things he got criticized for are really long term detrimental going forward. Missteps for sure but nothing fatal was done. In fact the team is pretty well setup for improvement with the right moves.

PLAYER             POS. 2015-16         2016-17         2017-18         2018-19         2019-20
Carmelo Anthony	   SF	$22,875,000	$24,559,380	$26,243,760	$27,928,140	UFA
Robin Lopez	   C	$12,650,000	$13,219,250	$13,788,500	$14,357,750	UFA
Arron Afflalo	   SG	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	UFA             -	        -
Jose Calderon	   PG	$7,402,812	$7,708,427	UFA             -	        -
Derrick Williams   PF	$4,400,000	$4,400,000	UFA -	-
Kristaps Porzingis PF	$4,131,720	$4,317,720	$4,503,600	$5,697,054	RFA
Kyle O'Quinn	   PF	$3,750,000	$3,918,750	$4,087,500	$4,256,250	UFA
Kevin Seraphin	   PF	$2,814,000	UFA             -	        -	        -
Lance Thomas	   SF	$1,636,842	UFA             -	        -	        -
Louis Amundson	   PF	$1,635,476	UFA             -	        -	        -
Jerian Grant	   PG	$1,572,360	$1,643,040	$1,713,840	$2,639,314	RFA
Sasha Vujacic	   SG	$947,276	UFA             -	        -	        -
Cleanthony Early   SF	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Langston Galloway  PG	$845,059	RFA             -	        -	        -
Tony Wroten Jr.	   SG	$167,406	$1,050,961	UFA             -	        -
                        73,673,010	68,817,528	50,337,200	54,878,508	0

Nix when was the last time we had a roster full of bad contracts other than Amare and melo, we've been relatively decent since 09/10 season

Why ask the question that way. A roster full of bad contracts? Not sure what this has to do with anything. Phil hasn't made any fatal moves, so this meme that he's somehow messing up the team are utter BS. That's the point. We're not stuck and we have some flexibility going forward.

The Simple fact is that Phil has to improve the guard play one way or another. Get that done and this is gonna be a playoff team. There's not some long list of things that needs to be done. It's all pretty clear now, but the hard part is WHO can Phil get and how much can we develop the young talent we have?
We'll have money but who do we spend it on?

And what about the coach, because it's becoming crystal clear phil wants a puppet

You make it seem like thats a bad thing? Remember when we had GM's and coach's not in synch with each other? It sucked.

Good point. How bad can it be for Phil to have a guy that he can run his system through?? He does have 11 championships.