callmened wrote:i fully expect bazemore to get north of 12mill

I fully hope the Knicks do not offer that.

Paris907 wrote:Batum played well in a losing cause. I like Bazemore and he has grit. I suspect Phil won't want him

Im just trying to use common sense. Curry is 25 Bazemore 26 both are really good players. If we have to pay a little more for their services-who cares--whats the goal? To put good players on the floor who know how to play basketball. I think Gasol can be talked into coming here.

If we added Gasol Curry Bazemore and Valentine--look how much better we would be right away. We dont need to spend 20mm on a PG. Both San Antonio and GSW have good athletes not GREAT athletes. Id like to have a couple of top tier athletes for defense but Im perfectly happy with good smart players who work hard and fill in the blanks after. Build a smart skilled team first with high character and work ethic

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Batum played well in a losing cause. I like Bazemore and he has grit. I suspect Phil won't want him

Im just trying to use common sense. Curry is 25 Bazemore 26 both are really good players. If we have to pay a little more for their services-who cares--whats the goal? To put good players on the floor who know how to play basketball. I think Gasol can be talked into coming here.

If we added Gasol Curry Bazemore and Valentine--look how much better we would be right away. We dont need to spend 20mm on a PG. Both San Antonio and GSW have good athletes not GREAT athletes. Id like to have a couple of top tier athletes for defense but Im perfectly happy with good smart players who work hard and fill in the blanks after. Build a smart skilled team first with high character and work ethic

BRIGGS, you've created like 10 new threads on your thoughts on Curry, Bazemore, Gasol and Valentine. You don't need to respond to every thread on that same thing. We get it.

Got anything more to add onto Bazemore? This is the thread to do it.

Would you mind if I throw another plug in for Bryn Forbes:) I guarantee it will be worth it to the Knicks.

BRIGGS wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Batum played well in a losing cause. I like Bazemore and he has grit. I suspect Phil won't want him

Im just trying to use common sense. Curry is 25 Bazemore 26 both are really good players. If we have to pay a little more for their services-who cares--whats the goal? To put good players on the floor who know how to play basketball. I think Gasol can be talked into coming here.

If we added Gasol Curry Bazemore and Valentine--look how much better we would be right away. We dont need to spend 20mm on a PG. Both San Antonio and GSW have good athletes not GREAT athletes. Id like to have a couple of top tier athletes for defense but Im perfectly happy with good smart players who work hard and fill in the blanks after. Build a smart skilled team first with high character and work ethic

Got to be careful here, this is the kind of thinking that got Layden in trouble. Overpaid role players who got starters salary.
Not saying there is 100% correlation here. The key is to get guys to play above their current levels by them putting in the work, and install a system that they can thrive in.

I can say Rolo has, KOQ has not and Derrik Williams went sideways.

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Batum played well in a losing cause. I like Bazemore and he has grit. I suspect Phil won't want him

Im just trying to use common sense. Curry is 25 Bazemore 26 both are really good players. If we have to pay a little more for their services-who cares--whats the goal? To put good players on the floor who know how to play basketball. I think Gasol can be talked into coming here.

If we added Gasol Curry Bazemore and Valentine--look how much better we would be right away. We dont need to spend 20mm on a PG. Both San Antonio and GSW have good athletes not GREAT athletes. Id like to have a couple of top tier athletes for defense but Im perfectly happy with good smart players who work hard and fill in the blanks after. Build a smart skilled team first with high character and work ethic

Got to be careful here, this is the kind of thinking that got Layden in trouble. Overpaid role players who got starters salary.
Not saying there is 100% correlation here. The key is to get guys to play above their current levels by them putting in the work, and install a system that they can thrive in.

I can say Rolo has, KOQ has not and Derrik Williams went sideways.

Cap is going up to 115 in 2 years. Now I dont want to pay guys 20-26 mm unless their name is Durant. But contracts that run from 8-13mm--its simply the same as paying someone 4-7 mm on the last cap. Contracts that eat up 20% of you cap for say a Mike Conley--that is RISKY. Contracts that eat up 12mm or less will be fluid contracts manageable. Over paying a 300 pound Jerome James overpaying a one knee player in Amare overpaying an Eddy Curry thats trouble. Remember we paid Shanden Andersen in 2001 6 years 42mm--this is 15 years later with double the cap.

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Batum played well in a losing cause. I like Bazemore and he has grit. I suspect Phil won't want him

Im just trying to use common sense. Curry is 25 Bazemore 26 both are really good players. If we have to pay a little more for their services-who cares--whats the goal? To put good players on the floor who know how to play basketball. I think Gasol can be talked into coming here.

If we added Gasol Curry Bazemore and Valentine--look how much better we would be right away. We dont need to spend 20mm on a PG. Both San Antonio and GSW have good athletes not GREAT athletes. Id like to have a couple of top tier athletes for defense but Im perfectly happy with good smart players who work hard and fill in the blanks after. Build a smart skilled team first with high character and work ethic

Got to be careful here, this is the kind of thinking that got Layden in trouble. Overpaid role players who got starters salary.
Not saying there is 100% correlation here. The key is to get guys to play above their current levels by them putting in the work, and install a system that they can thrive in.

I can say Rolo has, KOQ has not and Derrik Williams went sideways.

Cap is going up to 115 in 2 years. Now I dont want to pay guys 20-26 mm unless their name is Durant. But contracts that run from 8-13mm--its simply the same as paying someone 4-7 mm on the last cap. Contracts that eat up 20% of you cap for say a Mike Conley--that is RISKY. Contracts that eat up 12mm or less will be fluid contracts manageable. Over paying a 300 pound Jerome James overpaying a one knee player in Amare overpaying an Eddy Curry thats trouble. Remember we paid Shanden Andersen in 2001 6 years 42mm--this is 15 years later with double the cap.

I agree. 15 mil a year or less for a high-level starter in the new salary cap is very manageable moving forward.

When I look at his stats, I don't see much which indicates he is a game changer.

And for all the guys who like to shove WS48 in everybody's faces...please tell me how Bazemore has excelled in that statistic.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bazemke01.html

OK player...nothing special.

If you guys have the stats to show that I'm totally wrong- please let me know.